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I found a a while ago.

Sound change tidbit: it seems the northern dialects get their /ʡ, ʜ/ from original *q, *χ, while original *qʰ, *qʼ remain uvular.

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For those of you who learn German, this might be valuable: http://www.duden.de — You can access the whole Duden Deutsche Rechtschreibung now, apparently. Including pronunciation read out by actual people and basic information on etymology from Duden Herkunftswörterbuch.


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Duden's the name of the dictionary. Like the most important German-language dictionary.


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Does anyone know of a nice Proto-Germanic wordlist? And maybe a nice grammar. All I have so far is the wiki page and .


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I've come across a couple resources on Jersey Dutch: the descendant Dutch dialect spoken by the descendants of the Dutch settlers in New Netherland. It's kind of cool, and didn't completely die out until the early 20th century. Not bad, considering its speakers were under English-speaking control after 1667. Oh, and a fun fact I picked up: It was the native language of Martin Van Buren, the only president whose mother tongue wasn't English.

Okay, the first is an article from the December 1958 edition of American Speech, entitled , and has some notes on the context of the language in history, and some discussions of its phonological differences with Standard Dutch.

The second can be found on page 459 of , and is entitled "The Jersey Dutch Dialect". It's fairly old, from 1905, but gives a pronunciation guide, samples, a grammar sketch, and glossary. It seems to be based at least partly on first-hand research by the author, J Dyneley Prince, interviewing the remaining speakers of the language.

Thought some of you might find it interesting!


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^^ Thanks for an extremely interesting read !

The 1950s article was very accurate, even in places where they claimed that a certain form came from 'dialect Dutch'. Jersey Dutch shows some interesting developments indeed. Similar vowel developments can be seen in some Flemish dialects (like raising of /e:/).


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Aaaanyway, why I really came to this thread:

Does anyone know some good grammars of Scots (not gaelic, just scots), or other resources about it? I need a focus on morphology and syntax, in particular, and also things about anaphors, reciprocals etc. I can access virtually all things through university and such.


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? I can't vouch for the accuracy, due to my lack of Scots skills, but it seems pretty complete.


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Don't know; probably just like dialectal difference or something but what I heard before for January and February is Janiveer and Febiveer. What I read before was Modern Scots by Alexander Bergs. And then there's the Concise Scots dictionary. But those aren't online. One thing online is . You could also try .


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Hmm, considering that I already found most of those (including Bergs 2001, of which I have a copy here, borrowed from the library) I guess that confirms I did my research reasonably well. If you have more suggestions, they don't have to be on-line since I can just get everything out of the library for free.

edit: thanks for the Purves link !

What I think is another option, is there someone on this board who happens to be a native speaker of Scots? If so, please give me the username and I'll try to contact them. You never know, since there's even some speakers here of exotic languages like Irish and Limburgish, why not Scots.

But thanks a lot anyway !..


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There's several scotsmen on the board. Whether they consider themselves Scots speakers is another matter entirely.

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I've always thought that Scots is either A) a carefully constructed practical joke or B) a tool of the nationalists. It also C) makes you look illiterate.

But Åge considers himself a speaker.


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http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jlawler/hajpapers.html — Dunno if it's useful, but he seems to be a classic figure in linguistics.


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