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Proto-Algonquian to Mi'kmaq

From Dawe, Audrey Marie (1986), The Fundamentals of Micmac Historical Morphology, citing Hewson, John (1973), "Proto-Algonkian Reflexes in Micmac", and Hewson, John (1983), "Some Micmac Etymologies".

tʃ → ʃ / ! C_
n{θ,l} h{θ,ʃ} → Ø s
{ʔ,h,N} → Ø / _C
ʔ{θ,ʃ} ʔl → s Ø
x → Ø / _{p,k}
θ ʃ → s Ø / _k
ʃ → s
θ → l
k → {k,q}
o(ː) waː eː iː → u o e i
aː → a
(aw)aha → aː
{awa,iwa,iwi} → uː
{o,a}wi → oː
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{aja,iha,iji,ihi,ija} → iː

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Proto-Algonquian to Piscataway

From Mackie, Lisa (2006), "". This is very incomplete, partially because it seems that the only source we have on Piscataway is a single document in rather poor condition.

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{θ,ʃ} → ɬ ? (conjectured based on <z> in the Piscataway source and the lack of voicing in the apparent original sounds)
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Proto-Na-Dene to Proto-Athabaskan-Eyak

kʲ kʲʼ gʲ → ts tsʼ dz
xʲ → s
{s,ʃ} → Ø / _x

Proto-Athabaskan-Eyak to Proto-Athabaskan

ɬ → ɬ~l
ʃ → ʂ~ʐ
{s,dz} → s~z
k kʼ kʷ kʷʼ g gʷ → kʲ kʲʼ ʈʂ ʈʂʼ gʲ ɖʐ
x xʷ → xʲ~j ʂ~ʐ
Qʷ → Qʷ → Q ?
χ(ʷ) → χ~ʁ

Proto-Athabaskan-Eyak to Eyak

kʲ kʲʼ gʲ xʲ → ts tsʼ dz s~ʃ
Kʷ → K
qʷ qʷʼ ɢʷ → q qʼ ɢ
s → Ø / _x
x → Ø / ʃ_
$ → xʷ → {x,s}

Proto-Na-Dene to Tlingit

Where a colon appears, forms to the left are normal and forms to the right are l-assimilated.

s → s : ɬ
ts → ts : tɬ
tsʼ → sʼ~tsʼ : ɬ~tɬʼ
ʃ → ʃ~s : ɬ
tʃ → tʃ~ts : tɬ
tʃʼ → sʼ~tʃʼ : tɬʼ
Something's going on with the velars and uvulars; apparently, both the rounded and unrounded consonants have reflexes that may or may not be rounded
kʲ kʲʼ → {k,ʃ} kʼ
xʲ → x
k(ʷ)ʼ → {x,k}(ʷ)ʼ
x(ʷ) → x
qʼ → χ(ʷ)ʼ
qʷʼ → {χʼ,q(ʷ)ʼ}
x → Ø / {s,ʃ}_
$ → χ

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No, I think that was an oversight. Hopefully I will fix it in time for the next update.

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Do you happen to know based on which word pair are the sound changes for proto languages posited? I'm specifically interested in the Altaic branch, but also in other proto Kartvelian, Northeast Caucaisan and Northwest Caucasian.


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"Except before a vowel".

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Proto-Athabaskan to Hupa

From Sapir, Edward (1936), "Reflexes of Proto-Athabaskan in Several Languages (Hupa, Navaho, Chipewyan, Sarcee)"

NB: First, part of the list of correspondences was cut off; second, it is sometimes difficult to read Sapir's handwriting; and third, I'm hoping I made the correct inferences about his notation.

h → {h,Ø}
q ʁ → x w
qʷ qʷʼ ɢʷ xʷ ɣʷ → x(ʷ) q(ʷ)ʼ ɢ(ʷ) x(ʷ) w
z → s
{ʃ,ʒ} → w
xʲ → w

Proto-Athabaskan to Proto-Southern Athabaskan

From Hoijer, Harry (1938), "The Southern Athapaskan Languages". American Anthropologist 40:75 – 87

kʲ kʲʼ gʲ → ts tsʼ dz
m → {b,m} (→ b seems more common)
ɣ → h / in derivational prefixes
VnC → V[+ nas]C / _# (unless C = ʔ)
t n x → d n h / in derivational prefixes

Proto-Southern Athabaskan to Proto-Eastern Southern Athabaskan

From Hoijer, Harry (1938), "The Southern Athapaskan Languages". American Anthropologist 40:75 – 87

t → k
{s,z}(ʔ) {ʃ,ʒ}(ʔ) {ɬ,ɮ}(ʔ) → s ʃ ɬ / _#

Proto-Eastern Southern Athabaskan to Kiowa Apache

From Hoijer, Harry (1938), "The Southern Athapaskan Languages". American Anthropologist 40:75 – 87

n → d
d → Ø / _#
k → tʃ / _E
{xʲ,j}ʔ {x,ɣ}ʔ → Ø h(ʔ) / _#
Vnʔ VnC → V[+ nas] V[+ nas]C / _#
x ɣ → h Ø / _#
{d,j} → Ø / _#
xʲ j → ʃ ʒ
{s,z}(ʔ) {ʃ,ʒ}(ʔ) {ɬ,ɮ}(ʔ) → s ʃ ɬ / _#

Proto-Eastern Southern Athabaskan to Jicarilla

From Hoijer, Harry (1938), "The Southern Athapaskan Languages". American Anthropologist 40:75 – 87

d → ʔ / _#
xʲ xʔ j ɣʔ → h ʔ Ø ʔ / E_#
xʲ xʔ j ɣʔ → ih iʔ i iʔ / _#
xʲʔ jʔ → h ʔ / _#
x ɣ → h Ø / _#
n → ⁿd
xʲ → s
j → ɣ / _E
Vnʔ VnC → V[+ nas] V[+ nas]C / _#
{s,z}(ʔ) {ʃ,ʒ}(ʔ) {ɬ,ɮ}(ʔ) → s ʃ ɬ / _#

Proto-Eastern Southern Athabaskan to Lipan

From Hoijer, Harry (1938), "The Southern Athapaskan Languages". American Anthropologist 40:75 – 87

d → Ø / _#
xʲ j → ʃ Ø / _#
{xʲ,j}ʔ → Ø / _#
{x,ɣ} → Ø / _(ʔ)#
Vnʔ VnC → V[+ nas] V[+ nas]C / _#
n → ⁿd
xʲ → s
j → ɣ / _E
{s,z}(ʔ) {ʃ,ʒ}(ʔ) {ɬ,ɮ}(ʔ) → s ʃ ɬ / _#

Proto-Southern Athabaskan to Proto-Western Southern Athabaskan

From Hoijer, Harry (1938), "The Southern Athapaskan Languages". American Anthropologist 40:75 – 87

j → ɣ / _E

Proto-Western Southern Athabaskan to Chiricahua

From Hoijer, Harry (1938), "The Southern Athapaskan Languages". American Anthropologist 40:75 – 87

d → Ø / _#
xʲ j → ʃ Ø / _#
{xʲ,j}ʔ → Ø / _#
{x,ɣ} → Ø / _(ʔ)#
Vnʔ → V[+ nas] / _#
n → ⁿd
{s,z}(ʔ) {ʃ,ʒ}(ʔ) {ɬ,ɮ}(ʔ) → s ʃ ɬ / _#

Proto-Western Southern Athabaskan to Mescalero

From Hoijer, Harry (1938), "The Southern Athapaskan Languages". American Anthropologist 40:75 – 87

d → Ø
xʲ j → ʃ Ø / _#
{xʲ,j}ʔ → Ø / _#
{x,ɣ} → Ø / _(ʔ)#
Vnʔ → V[+ nas] / _#
n → ⁿd
s(ʔ) ʃ(ʔ) ɬ(ʔ) → s ʃ ɬ / _#
z(ʔ) ʒ(ʔ) ɮ(ʔ) → dz dʒ dɮ / _#

Proto-Western Southern Athabaskan to Navajo

From Hoijer, Harry (1938), "The Southern Athapaskan Languages". American Anthropologist 40:75 – 87; and Sapir, Edward (1936), "Reflexes of Proto-Athabaskan in Several Languages (Hupa, Navaho, Chipewyan, Sarcee)"

{ɣ,h} → j / in derivational prefixes
xʲ(ʔ) j(ʔ) → h ʔ / _#
x ɣ → h ʔ / _#
{x,ɣ}ʔ → {ʔ,g} (Hoijer notes a reflex "-g-")
xʲ → s
j → ɣ / _E
{s,z}(ʔ) {ʃ,ʒ}(ʔ) {ɬ,ɮ}(ʔ) → s ʃ ɬ / _#

Proto-Western Southern Athabaskan to San Carlos

From Hoijer, Harry (1938), "The Southern Athapaskan Languages". American Anthropologist 40:75 – 87

x(ʲ) {j,ɣ} → h Ø / _#
xʲʔ jʔ → h ʔ / _#
{x,ɣ}ʔ → g
Vnʔ → V[+ nas] / _#
n → ⁿd
{s,z}(ʔ) {ʃ,ʒ}(ʔ) {ɬ,ɮ}(ʔ) → s ʃ ɬ / _#

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Information in this post is from Brown, Cecil H., David Beck, Grzegorz Kondrak, James K. Watters, and Søren Wichmann, "Linking proto-Totonacan and proto-Mixe-Zoquean". <>

Proto-Totozoquean to Proto-Mixe-Zoquean

l → j
q → ʔ
nʲ tʲ ʃ tʃ kʲ → n t s ts k
x {ɬ,tɬ} → h j
V̰ → V
ɨ ɔ → ə o

Proto-Totozoquean to Proto-Totonacan

ʔ → Ø
nʲ tʲ kʲ k → l tʃ k q
h → Ø / ! #_
j → t
o o̰ → u ṵ
{ə,ɔ} {ə̰,ɔ̰} → a a̰
{e,ɨ} {ḛ,ɨ̰} → i ḭ

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Information in this post is from Dwyer, David J. (1987/1988), "Towards Proto Mande Morphology". Mandekan: Bulletin semestriel d'études linguistiques 14/15:139 – 152. He has a lot of changes involving the velar nasal going to various palatal sounds; I'd be inclined to think it was an original palatal nasal but I'm keeping it as it was in the paper.

Proto-Mande to Bobo

p → f
tʼ {kʼ,g} → t k
l → d
z → {s,j}
w → g
ŋ → ɲ
kp gb → k gw

Proto-Mande to Busa

tʼ kʼ → t k
d → l
ŋ → ɲ
kp kpʼ → {kp,k} gb
j → i

Proto-Mande to Dan

tʼ kʼ → t k
d → l
ŋ → ɲ
kpʼ → gb

Proto-Mande to Guro

p f → f v
tʼ kʼ → t k
d → l
ŋ → ɲ
kp {kpʼ,gb} → p b

Proto-Mande to Kono-Vai

p → f
l → d
z → s
{g,w,kp} kpʼ gb → k kp b
tʼ kʼ → t k
ŋ → ɲ

Proto-Mande to Southwest Mande

f → p
{tʼ,d} {kʼ,g} → l k
z → s
w → g
ŋ → ɲ
kp kpʼ gb → {k,B} kp B (not sure whether this is supposed to be /β/ or /ʙ/)

Proto-Mande to Mandekan

p → f
l → d
z → s
{k,g,kp} {kp',gb} → s b
t' k' → t k
ŋ → ɲ
w j → k dʒ

Proto-Mande to Mano

f → v
tʼ kʼ → t k
d → l
ŋ → ɲ
kpʼ → gb

Proto-Mande to Mwa

f → v
tʼ kʼ → t k
d → l
ŋ → ɲ
kpʼ → gb

Proto-Mande to San

tʼ kʼ → t k
d → l
ŋ → ɲ
kp kpʼ → k b

Proto-Mande to Sembla

p → f
f → d (yes, really)
tʼ {kʼ,g,w} → {t,d} k
l → d
z → s
gb → b
j → dʒ
ŋ → ɲ

Proto-Mande to Soninka

p → f
tʼ {kʼ,g} → {t,d} k
z → j ?
{w,ŋ} → j
kp gb → k b

Proto-Mande to Susu

p → f
tʼ → t
l → d
z → s
w → x
ŋ → j
kp gb → k b

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Blust, Robert: The Austronesian Languages, Revised Edition (2013)

Proto-Polynesian to Luangiua

h > 0
q > 0
r > l
f > h
k > ʔ
t > k
n > ŋ
w > v
(the resultant consonant inventory is a little strange: /p k ʔ m ŋ l v s h/)
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By the way, for those Micmac changes, note that <q> is actually /x/. This is mentioned in passing in most sources, and I didn't notice it when I sent the paper in question to Pogostick Man.


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The general theory is that it's of dialectal origin, seeing as there's no obvious regular conditioning (and, iirc, you can even get variation between r and l in the same word, in a few cases)


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Anybody got a better set of changes for Norse? I've been told mine are wrong.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:37 pm 
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Sorry, I'm not sure whether I'm doing this right, but here's some sound changes from Old Indo-Aryan (OIA) to Romani anyway (not an exhaustive list at all; most of these are from Turner (1926)):

r̥ > i, u
śm, ṣm, sm > mh > m
y > j / #_
m > v / V_V
kṣ > kh
t, d > l / V_V
ś, ṣ > ś
st(h), ṣṭ(h) > Romani št


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:47 am 
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Since I have Romani: a Linguistic Introduction (Matras, 2002), I will add to Vijay's post. Matras draws on Vijay's source and a few others. I also added his comparative notes to Domari and Lomavren. The changes are in no particular order unless noted otherwise.

Shared with Central Middle Indo-Aryan (MIA) Languages

(1) /r̥/ > /i, u/; but /er/ in /kerd/ < /r̥/, c.f. Domari /kard/ "done")
(2) /sm/ > /mʱ/ > /m/
(3) /y/ > /j/ / #_
(4) /p/ > /v/ / V_V
(5) dropping of various singleton medial stops; e.g. OIA /bʱagini:/, MIA /bʱahiɳi:/ v. Romani /pʰen/, Domari /be:n/
(6) right to left assimilation of consonant clusters into geminates followed by shortening; e.g., OIA /rakta/, MIA /ratta/, Romani /rata/, Hindi /ra:t/ "Blood." Unlike NIA languages, like Hindi, compensatory lengthening does not (currently?) appear.''
(7) /tm, tv/ > p. E.g. OIA /a:tman/, MIA /appa:/, Romani /pe(s)/ "reflexive pronoun." The later has a few exceptions perhaps protected by larger clusters. E.g. /catvari/ > /ʃtar/ "four."
(8) /kʂ/ > /kh/, E.g. OIA /akʂi/, MIA /akkʰi/, Romani /dʒ-akʰ/ "eye," omari /iki/, Lomavren /aki/; but > /tʃʰ/ on occasionally or perhaps as a loan: /kʂurika:/, MIA /cʰuri:/, Romani /tʃʰuri/, Domari /tʃuri/ "Knife."
(9) /stʰ/ > tʰ / #_. E.g. OIA /stʰu:la/, MIA /tʰulla/, Romani /tʰulo/ "fat"

Sound Changes Shared with Central NIA Dialects

(1) /u/ > /o/ in some cases which the source is not clear on.
(2) /v/ > /b/ / #_. This is clearly an independent innovation as it is not shared with Domari (> /w/) and Lomavren (/v/ retained).
(3) /m/ > /v/ / V_V. Likely independent, Domari appears to retain medial /m/.

Changes diverging from Central MIA/NIA Dialects

(1) dental stop + /r/ clusters retained. Similar to NW NIA languages including Dardic languages. Shared with Domari and no comparable material to prove if shared with Lomavren.
(2) labial stop + /r/ clusters retained. Similar to NW NIA languages BUT not shared (currently) with Domari or Lomavren.
(3) /st/ > /st/ / V_V. E.g. OIA /hasta/, Romani /vast/, but Hindi /ha:tʰ/ "hand."
(4) /ʂʈ/ > /ʃt/ / V_V. E.g. OIA /miʂʈa/, Romani /miʃto/, but MIA /miʈʈʰa/, Hindi /mi:ʈʰa:/ "good." Comparable to Domari and Kashmiri.
(5) final dentals preserved as /l/. E.g. /pʰral/ "brother." Domari and Lomavren instead preserve as /r/; at least a few Dardic languages also preserve as /l/
(6) /ʃ, ʂ/ > /ʃ/
(7) /rs, rʃ/ > /s, ʃ/

Various other changes (the whole dental and retroflex stop thing is a major mess and reflexes shared/different with Lomavren and Domari suggest shifts outside of the MIA/NIA context but nevertheless along similar lines)

(1) /d/ > /d/ #_.
(2) /ɖ, d>ɖ/ > <ř> #_ . A rhotic or retroflex contrasting with /r/, i.e. [rr, ʀ, etc.]
(3) /t, tʰ, d, dʱ/ > /l/ / V_V (also note the rule above re final dentals.)
(4) /ɖ/ > /l/ / V_V and where reflected as /l/ in MIA languages. ??? Personally, given the rules below and above, this suggests some /ɖ/ resolved to /*d/ then /l/ or some kind of loan word situation. Shared with Domari and Lomavren.
(5) /ʈ>?ɖ, ʈʰ>?ɖʱ, ɖ, ɖʱ/ > /r/ / V_V
(6) /ʈ>ʈʈ, ʈʈ, ɖɖʱ/ > <ř> / V_V. A rhotic or retroflex contrasting with /r/, i.e. [rr, ʀ, etc.]
(7) ɳɖ > <ndř, nř, ř, ř>r, řn>, /nd, ngl, n/. C.f. /nd/ > /n/
(8) /ʈʈʰ/ > /ʃt/ in a few OIA sandhi contexts; e.g. /*ud+stʰa/ gives OIA /uttʰa/.
(9) /c/ > /ʃ/ / before voiceless stops. E.g. /catvari/ > /ʃtar/ "four."
(10) /gn/ > /g/
(11) non-retroflex, velar groups of Nasal + Stop[unvoiced] > Nasal+ stop[voiced]
(12) /ʂk/ > /k/ / internally only?
(13) Stop[voiced] > Stop[breathy voiced] / #_VC[breathy voiced]. This rule feeds into the next rule.
(14) Stop[breathy voiced] > Stop[voiceless, aspirated]. This later rule is shared with Domari and Lomavren BUT those languages do not show the effect of the rule immediately above.


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