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Whew! I've worked most of last night, this morning, and this evening getting these done, but here is a (rather detailed) sound changes list from Latin to Portuguese. As before, when I underline letters, those should be read as their X-SAMPA values. Note that in the first section (Latin vowels to Portuguese), if a vowel does not have a length marker after it, assume it to be short.

Also, just to let you know, all of the changes I've posted here I've done on my computer in full IPA and with accented characters, so when I post them, I have to try to convert to SAMPA and drop diacritics. If you have any questions about the sound changes I've posted here anywhere, feel free to PM me or ask for the document with the changes in IPA.

"..." means a space containing at least one syllable break.



C = consonants
V = vowels
N = nasals
L = liquids

Vulgar Latin > Portuguese

h > ? / _
rs > ss / _
n > ? / _s
VV > V: / _ (if V = V)
V > ? / ?V ? L_(C)(C)V(C)#, _L(C)(C)V(C)# (irregular)
V > ? / ?V ? s_t(C)V(C)# (irregular)
u > w / _V (between first and stressed syllables)
w > u / _?V, > ? / _V
au > o
au > a / _ ? ?u
e > i / ?_ ? i:#
i: > i / ?_, _ ? ?V
i: > ? / [k, s]_#,
i: > e / _#
e > E / ?_
[i, e:] > e / ?_
[i, e:, e] > e / _ ? ?V
[i, e:, e, ae] > e / _#
u: > u
ui: > ui / _#
[u, o:] > o / ?_
o > O / ?_
[u, o:, o] > o / _ ? ?V
[u:, u, o:, o] > o > u / _#
[a:, a] > a
oe > e
ae > E / ?_
E > e / _ ? u#
O > o / _ ? u#
[olt, okt] > ujt > ut / _
a5 > o / _
5 > w / V_Ca
o > u / _ ? ?V
e > ? / el_#
V > a / _[n, r](C)V(C)# (irreg.)
V > V~ / "_N$C
O~ > o~ / _
N > ? / V~_$C (unless if C is a plosive)
V > V~ / _N$V
V > V~ / #N_ (rare)
N > ? / V~_$V
[a~, a~e, o~e] > a~o / _#
V~ > V (when not stressed or in the final syllable)
V~V > V~ / _ (if V = V)
i~ > iJ / _
e > o / _ ? m?V (irregular)
V > ? / _ ? ?V (irregular)
e > ? / [l, n, r, s, k]_#
e > ? / ?[i, e]_#
e > i / _(C)(C)V(C)#
[e, i] > ? / [l, m, r]_, k_t (between first and stressed syllables)
o > ? / _[r, l] (between first and tonic syllables)

(if there are multiple vowels between the initial and tonic syllables, the vowel directly before the tonic is dropped)

k > ts > s / #_[i, e]
k > g / #_a, #_r (rare)
g > g_j > d_j > dZ > Z / #_[i, e]
j > dZ > Z / #_
pl > S, pr / #_ (pr is the semi-learned form)
bl > br / _
fl > S, fr / #_ (fr is semi-learned)
[fl, skl] > S / _
ngl > J / _
s > S / V_C[-vcd]V
s > Z / V_C[+vcd]V
kl > kL > tS > S / #_
[kl, gl] > L / _
gl > l / #_
k_w > kw / #_?a
k_w > k / #_[i, e, o]
k_w > g / V_[i, e]
k_w > k / VC_[a, i, e]
k_w > gw / V_a
g_w > g / #_[i, e, o]
g_w > gw / #_
g_w > gw / C_a
dj > dZ > Z / #_
? > e / #_sC
b > v / V_[V, r]
d > ? / V_V
g > ?, Z / V_[i, e] (Z is learned)
g > j / V_r
pl > br / V_V
bl > br, l / V_V
[p, t] > [+vcd] / V_V
[p, t, k] > [+vcd] / V_r
pt > t / V_V
ps > s / V_V
kt > jt / V_V
nkt > nt / V_V
ks > S / V_V
gn > J / V_V
tj > z, s / V_V
tj > s / C_V
dj > dZ > Z / V_V
dj > dz > ts > s / r_V
ndj > nts > ns > J / V_V
sj > jZ / V_V
j > ? / i_ZV
ssj > jS / V_V
nj > J / V_V
mnj > J / V_V
lj > L / V_V
rj > jr / V_V
kj > ts > s / V_V
gj > Z, j / V_V
pj > jb / V_V
[bj, vj] > jv / V_V
mj > jm (irregular)
CC > C / _ (if C = C, unless if C = r)
C > ? / C1_C2 (unless if C2 = L)
ks > js / _#
f > v / V_V (irregular)
s > z / V_V
l > ? / V_V
a > ? / ?O_#
sk > jS / V_[i, e]
k > z / V_[i, e]
k > g / V_V (unless if V2 = O)
j > ?, Z / V_V
b > v / VL_V
mn > n / _
[e, i] > ? / ? ? [L, N]_(C)(C)V(C)#
o > ? / _(C)(C)V(C)#
e > j / [a, o, u]_
a > e / ?_j
o > u / ?_J
VV > V / _ (if V = V; irregular)
d > ? / V_V (in Portugal)



Pharazon, that book is really good, but I do have some complaints with the style. Besides the transcription they use, I'm wondering, what the heck does this mean: ?z evolves into a voiced s? ? And for that matter, how come it never refers to 'z', but always to 'voiced s'?


And Pharazon, you complained when you took up Italian after I took Catalan (which I'll do next), and now you got a request for it! :P

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Here's Latin > Catalan

Same rules as before - underlined capital letters should be read as X-SAMPA, not as categories. PM me if you want a copy in IPA.


C = consonants
V = vowels
N = nasals
L = liquids

Vulgar Latin > Catalan

h > ? / _
n > ? / _s
[m, n] > ? / _#
t > ? / _#
V > ? / ?V?C_L(C)V(C)# (irregular) < that is, a vowel may drop in the unstressed penult if preceded by a consonant and followed by a liquid
V > ? / ?V?L_C(C)V(C)# (irregular)
V > ? / ?V?s_t(C)V(C)# (irregular)
u > w > ? (when in unstressed penult or between first and tonic syllables; irregular)
i: > i / ?_, _ ? ?V (that is, when stressed or pre-tonic)
[i, e:] > e, E / ?_
e > E, e / ?_
[i, e:, e] > e / _ ? ?V
i > j / ?V_#
u: > u / ?_, _ ??V
au > a / _ ? ?u
[u, o:] > o / ?_
o > O / ?_
[u, o:, o] > o / _ ? ?V (> u in East Catalan)
u > w / ?E_#
[a:, a] > a
oe > e, E
ae > e / ?_, _ ? ?V
au > O / ?_
au > o / _ ? ?V
o > u / _a
o > u / _ ? ?V (irregular)
VV > V: / _

For outcomes of word-final vowels, see down below

ndj > J / _
dj > dZ > Z / _
? > e / #_sC
l > ? / [o, u]_CV
l > w / V_CV (although l was usually restored later)
mn > nn > J / _
pr > Br / V_V
tr > ?r / V_V
kr > Gr / V_V
br > Br, wr / V_V
dr > jr, wr / V_V
gr > jr, r, gr / V_V
ng > J / _[i, e]
pl > bl / V_V
bl > wl / V_V (irregular)
kl > L / V_V
gl > L / V_V (irregular)
sk > S / V_[i, e]
pt > t / V_V
kt > jt / V_V
nkt > nt / V_V
ks > S / V_V
ks > js / _#
gn > J / V_V
tj > ? / V_V
stj > S / _
tj > s / C_
sj > jz / V_V
ssj > jS / V_V
nj > J / V_V
mnj > mni, J / V_V
lj > L / V_V
rj > jr / V_V
kj > ts / V_V
gj > Z / V_V
[bj, vj] > wZ / _??V
[bj, vj] > bj / ?V?_
ja > je / #_ (irregular)
V > ? / _ ? ?V (rare)
? > e, o / CL_#, rr_#
a > e / ?V?_(C)(C)V(C)# (that is, in the penult)
V > ? / ?V?_(C)(C)V(C)# (irregular; e is kept before n)
b > v / V_V
v > ? / V_?[o, u]
p > b / V_V
f > v / V_V (irregular)
t > d / V_V
s > z / ?V? V_V
s > ? / V_V ? ?V
g > ?, Z / V_[i, e] (Z is learned)
g > ? / V_V ? ?V
k > ? / V_[i, e]
k > g / V_V
j > Z / V_V

These next two changes are awkward - Basically, when the final vowel drops off down below, the newly-final d should become w; BUT d should also have become z and disappeared before the final vowels drop off, leaving a dilema... I'm not certain how this should be interpretted

d > z > ? / V_V
d > w / _V#

I: > ? / _#
[i, e:, e, ae] > ? / _(C)#
[u:, u, o:, o] > ? / _#
V (except for a) > ? (between first and tonic syllables; except when C_CC, _n)
(if there are multiple vowels between the initial and tonic syllables, the vowel directly before the tonic is usually dropped)
w > ? u_#
j > tS / _#
gj > i / _#
ts > w / _#
z > s / _#
n > ? / _#
ts > s / V_V
[b, v] > w / V_#
d > t / _#
l > L / #_
k > ts > s / #_[i, e]
g > Z / #_[i, e]
j > dZ > Z / #_
k_w > k / #_[i, e]
k_w > k / C_V
k_w > g / V_[i, e]
k_w > k / #_a ??V
k_w > gw / V_a
k_w > kw / #_?a
g_w > g / #_[i, e]
g_w > gw / #_a
g_w > g / C_[i, e]
g_w > gw / C_a
mb > mm > m / V_V
mn > mr > mbr / _
kr > wr / V_V
[bt, vt] > wt / V_V
gd > d / V_V
ll > L / _
L > l / ?i_
nn > J / _
C > ? / C_C (unless if last C = L)
[a, o] > ? / #_ (rare)
O > o / _N$C
e > E / _v
o > u / ?_[J, nk, ng]
e > i / ?_[nk, ng] (irregular)
aj > ej > ee > e / _ (irregular)
aj > ej / ?_S (irregular)
Ej > jEj > i / ?_
Oj > uei > u, ui / ?_
E > e (when not _[rr, l, rC[-labial], nr] or _ ? w#)
e > E (in Eastern Catalan)


The vowel developments (especially between E and W Catalan) seem really complicated. I've tried to get down what I could of these changes.

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Oh, and Phar, I have a question about your Romanian changes...

You show h > 0 early on, as happened in Vulgar Latin and continued throughout all of the Romance languages. Romanian reflects this too, as in Rm. "or?", and Sp. "hora" (with the h dropped orthographically too)

But, I know that Romanian does in fact have an /h/, and is the only Romance language that does (although French did have one up until the 1700s). Where did this H come from?

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