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What about linguo-supraorbitals, (or whatever the sounds are made by touching the tip of the tongue to the eyebrow)? [edit]: "linguo-supercilials" is what I meant. [/edit] And anal trills have already been mentioned. (Perhaps only on other threads.) For that matter, a simple labio-nasal sound (lower lip touches tip of nose) may at least tie these "supralabials". Or even the kind of labio-velar that's made by touching the velum with the lower lip. (There really are labio-alveolars in ExtIPA, and I think also in X-SAMPA; made by touching the alveolar ridge with the lower lip. A labio-palatal PoA isn't that much of a stretch from there. A dento-labial sound made touching the upper lip to the backs of the roots of the lower teeth is also possible.) And, an apico-septal (or should that be apico-philtral) PoA made by touching the tip of the tongue to the place where the nasal septum meets the upper lip, is not outside the realm of possibility (for some people -- I'm not one of them).[edit]: Those may be the same as dhokarena56's "supralabials". [/edit] An apico-uvular retroflex, made by touching the tip of the tongue to the uvula, should also be considered.

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Really? I thought it was dangerous; too much chance of the speaker swallowing his/her own tongue and choking. I suppose an "apico-pharyngeal", or worse an "apico-laryngeal" or "apico-epiglottal" or "apico-glottal", PoA, would be even more dangerous.

The "labio-cervical" PoA, where the lower lip touches the tip of the back cervical vertebra, is not so much dangerous as painful.

I don't think I can physically do that. The closest I can get is the back of the blade of the tongue.

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"Oh shit, it's a prevoiced labio-cervical velaric ingressive stop with glottalized uvular affrication!"

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I don't think I can touch anything further back than the soft palate with the tip of my tongue.

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Same here. Reaching the uvula requires me to bring my tongue back as far as it goes: curling my tongue back only reaches the soft palate.

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Its quite hard for me to even reach my soft palate with the tip of my tongue :')

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I've considered using voiceless palatalized labialized nasals, especially /N_j_0_w/. They sound cool (yes I can make them!) but they might not survive that long "in the wild."

Not to mention my personal discovery, the uvular lateral approximate.

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I'd like to know more about that.
Sound recording available?
Spectrogram?
Diagram of tongue and other articulator positions?

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Does anyone's conlang ever use any sounds where the mobile or "soft" articulator is in the speaker's mouth but the stabile or "hard" articulator is in the addressee's mouth?

Sort of a French kiss??

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I think maybe so; or, maybe, an "alfalfa" kiss.

"Alfalfa"? What do you mean? Alfalfa is a kind of plant in Spanish...

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EDIT: I posted a picture of alfalfa, one of the little rascals, not realizing this is L&L museum

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In natlangs, many Indian ones, both Dravidian and Indo-Aryan. Finnish and Estonian have it too. I don't know about conlangs.

Huge bump, but I finally found a language that has that contrast: according to The Sounds of the World's Languages, page 33, Komi contrasts palatal stops with palatal and postalveolar affricates.

edit: Also, the Burkikhan dialect of Agul contrasts voiceless pharyngeal and epiglottal fricatives. Sound samples here.

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Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

I once used a voiced ejective (yes it's possible, but it's more like d͡t ' )

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It's categorically not possible to make a voiced ejective because of the configuration of the glottis. Technically, they're not voiceless either, but unphonated; the glottis is completely closed, whereas with voicing it's a bit open and vibrating, and with voicelessness it's wide open and not vibrating. So yeah, you can have a pre-voiced ejective or cluster with a [d], like what you wrote there, but not true voicing.

(also taking into account just the shape of the glottis it's arguably closer to voicing than voicelessness but that's a bit of a moot point really)

It's not legal to use North Caucasian languages as evidence for anything, as their phonolgies clearly originate from the random phonology generator.

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Formerly known as Drydic.

Nah, they don't have creaky-voiced implosives or vowel systems with more phonations than POAs.

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Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.

That's just what they WANT you to think.

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Formerly known as Drydic.

I've used those, calling them voiced, although I am aware that they really are prevoiced. I think Shad'ak has [dt_> dts_> dtS_>]...

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I'm using it in my current language, at least.

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I'd love for you to try my game out! Here's the forum thread about it:
http://zbb.spinnwebe.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=36688

Of an Ernst'ian one.

While your mouths are together both say "alfalfa".
Nothing to do with plants or Spanish, anymore than butterfly kisses have anything to do with mariposas or French kissing has to do with French.