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Author:  Ser [ Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:45 pm ]
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Author:  Herr Dunkel [ Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:10 am ]
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Author:  Nortaneous [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:45 am ]
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Author:  Herr Dunkel [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:48 pm ]
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Author:  Ser [ Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:04 pm ]
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Author:  Herr Dunkel [ Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:48 pm ]
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Author:  Drydic [ Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:06 pm ]
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Author:  Nortaneous [ Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:26 pm ]
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citation: http://ingush.narod.ru/chech/book/ch0607.gif

Author:  Herr Dunkel [ Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:27 pm ]
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Author:  Drydic [ Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:17 pm ]
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Author:  Acid Badger [ Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:59 pm ]
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Author:  finlay [ Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:33 am ]
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Author:  Drydic [ Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:29 am ]
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Author:  finlay [ Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:34 am ]
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Diphthongs are always unfairly not included, especially when people make charts comparing different languages. Like I've seen analyses of Mandarin which imply that it has the very unusual 5-vowel system /i y u ɤ a/, which completely ignores its many diphthongs, and the fact that Mandarin is usually analysed as onset+rhyme rather than consonant+vowel+consonant.

Or there's a gajillion charts of English which ignore /eɪ oʊ/ because they're diphthongs. I dunno, it annoys me is all, I guess.

Author:  Drydic [ Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:51 am ]
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Author:  Nortaneous [ Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:58 pm ]
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analysis includes length, but says nasality isn't phonemic.

Author:  Ser [ Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:00 pm ]
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Author:  Bob Johnson [ Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:01 pm ]
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Author:  Ser [ Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:13 pm ]
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Author:  Nortaneous [ Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:14 pm ]
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Maybe not in GA, but IMD /i/ is commonly [ɨi̯] and /u/ is something like [ɪʊ̯] after coronals. (And I have less diphthongization of /u/ than most other people from around here.)

Author:  finlay [ Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:30 am ]
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Author:  Ser [ Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:22 am ]
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Author:  Whimemsz [ Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:40 am ]
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A number already have (though of a text rather than one instance of /i/ or /u/): http://www.kneequickie.com/kq/Voices_of_the_ZBB
(dear God, I need to remove all those horrible comments there I wrote years ago...)

And diphthongization of /i/ and /u/ is definitely common in GA (as you say, it seems particularly evident with /u/, maybe because the onset tends to be very fronted for a lot of speakers?)







[also, attn: my Spanish pronunciation has totally mejorado since then, for reals]



EDIT: You know what, on reconsideration, I have to say that my commentary on the Tatapyranga and Xeon recordings weren't completely awful.

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