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Eridanian update:

Now Eridanian is Ergative-Dative

bo- = Ergative case, derived from English "by"

Bill ate = boBiu xeyee'
Bill ate breakfast = Biu xeyeedi' bobrafosh

Fo- = Benefactive
Ta- = Dative

Bill stopped Jack for John
"Biu xeshaafti' boJex foJaan"

Bill brought drinks to the party
"Biu xebraadam bojrenks tadapootei.


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Verbs that can be either transitive or intransitive are known as "" verbs. But which verbs are ambitransitive aren't universal across different languages; "eat" is one in English, but you could definitely have a language where an object is required, or where two different verbs are used, one for the transitive sense and one for the intransitive sense*. And keep in mind that we're talking about morphosyntax here--an argument over whether the verb is underlyingly semantically transitive isn't relevant to whether a particular language marks the verb as transitive (AGT=ergative case) or intransitive (AGT=absolutive case).



*Ojibwe is one such language. In Ojibwe, transitive verbs have completely different inflections from intransitive ones, and pairs of lexically distinct verbs exist for many different verbs that are ambitransitive in English. To take the example at hand, there's wiisini "animate subject to eat [intransitive]" and miijin "to eat inanimate object": ingii-wiisin "I ate" vs. ingii-miijin ozaawikosimaan "I ate a pumpkin".


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Vardelm and TomHchappel, thank you. I was just about to change my language's grammar from the actual Dechcantitive to my weird alignemt. Chose a Dechitcantitive alignment because it seems more "centered" to me: I see R as in the middle of a line while P and T are to the right and D and A are to the left. My lang actually is active... I know this because I regularly have intratansitive clauses that treat the Subject like a patient or a Theme, as well as the use of nominalizing infixes to change meaning: Ie Kah "to swim" becomes activised "Swimmer (IE fish)" but when passivised it becomes "Fishpond".
I thank you both greatly for your support!
PS. I chose Dechticantitive as my conculture in giving sees D as gaining moral wealth while T gains physical wealth and the ability to give back again and thus gain moral wealth.


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Bengedian is accusative-dative.
I've also added a quirk: Agents in passive sentences are marked with the genitive case. A passive sentence like Sa ida sas cones bitec "I was bitten by my dog" could literally be translated as "I was my dog's bitten" :D

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