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Iogkwah is fluid-S/dechticaetiative. I think.

However: in the examples given above: "I taught math" and "I taught math to John"--the argument "math" would take the thematic role in both sentences. For "math" to take the play the patient role would mean to give a lesson to math, not about math. So it might not be a prototypical dechticaetitaive language.

Iogkwah expands the role of the theme quite a bit--it's used in some monotransitive clauses. The most common example is that objects of perception are assigned the theme role. Also, monotransitive verbs that could become ditransitive, behave ditransitively. This category includes "creative verbs"--verbs which result in the creation of the object (or the increased salience or prominence of an object)--"definitive verbs"--these are verbs that involve defining the object in some way, or according the object a certain status--and many (if not most) verbs of directed motion. (Creative and definitive verbs are fuzzy categories which blend together, with no strict rules separarting one from the other. Which doesn't matter, because they both behave in the same ditransitive way. The distinction between the two isn't really necessary.). Iogkwah even assigns the theme role to the sole argument in some intransitive clauses.

In other words, Iogkwah has two object cases. Some verbs act on experiencers, some act on themes--and only in explicitly ditransitive sentences (i.e. in which there is a stated, not theoretical recipient) is the one "primary" and the other "secondary."


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Spectacular! Now create a conlang that uses all 35 MSA's, each in highly specific situations, i.e. there is one right way and 34 (very) wrong ways to use each one: Begin.


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I'm not very much into this..., but I feel interested..., I just can't read all this because it's too much ahead of me..., so could anyone just tell how would reflexive sentences be done? The language I'm trying to build is absolutive-ergative dechticaetative(?)...

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