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I decided to finally make my mind up and get down to it, nearly a year after my first post in this thread :) so without any further ado, here are the Arêndron kinship terms.

A brief note of explanation. As I said in my earlier post, this system grew out of a culture in which brothers commonly remained living together, while women moved in with their husbands upon marriage, so certain mergers have occurred in a pattern that isn't quite like any existing kinship system (that I know of) but seems to me to be at least fairly plausible. Also, a man could have more than one wife but a woman could have only one husband (at a time); in Imperial times only around 5% of households were polygamous but the fraction was formerly higher.

There are seventeen basic terms for primary and secondary kin:

1. basat, father / father's brother
2. danda, mother
3. mail, brother / f's b's son
4. zilna, sister / f's b's daughter
5. vûtrin, son / brother's son of male Ego
6. shôlsa, daughter / brother's daughter of male Ego
7. krux, husband
8. shoida, wife
9. arbast, father's father
10. paslar, mother's father
11. ardan, grandmother
12. ngasta, aunt
13. fenkar, mother's brother
14. korlin, nephew / grandson
15. jeuda, niece / granddaughter
16. mailin, male cousin
17. xelûn, female cousin

with the obvious proviso that 14-17 specifically exclude individuals included in categories 3-6. Also, an older sibling's children might be around the same age as Ego, and when this occurred, they might be called mailin and xelûn, not korlin and jeuda.

Arêndron has a productive augmentative and diminutive, and these categories can be applied to some of the above terms to modify them for relative age. In particular, mailom, zilnom and zilnûn respectively mean "older brother", "older sister" and "younger sister". The diminutive of mail is mailin, the same as the word for "male cousin".

Then we have relatives by marriage. There are no unique terms for these (other than krux and shoida); instead, the above terms are extended. As this leads to ambiguity that is sometimes undesirable, a prefix hel- exists to mean "by marriage". (Please, let's not have stupid jokes about phonetic similarities. Every language has some coincidences of this type.) This prefix is never used when addressing a relative by marriage, only when talking about them.

Specifically, the extensions are as follows:

Ego of either sex would address their father's other wife (i.e. who isn't their mother) as ngasta, sister's husband as mailin, son's wife as jeuda or shôlsa, daughter's husband as korlin. The use of shôlsa for "son's wife" was primarily a term of endearment; it would be somewhat affected to refer to her as hel-shôlsa to a third person, but the term did exist and was a way of showing that you felt as emotionally close to them as to a blood daughter. Conversely, to use call one's daughter's husband vûtrin would seem disrespectfully familiar.

Male Ego would address his wife's father as fenkar, wife's mother as ngasta, wife's siblings as mailin and xelûn. Sister's husband was also mailin; older brother's wife was xelûn to an unmarried Ego, but zilna to a married Ego; younger brother's wife was zilna (or zilnûn) in either case.

Female Ego would address her husband's father as basat (but the familiar form baba, based on child-speak, she would reserve for her blood father), her husband's mother as danda (same), and her husband's father's other wife as ngasta. Her husband's sister was xelûn, but she could call her husband's brother mail if he could call her zilna (see above).


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zodadida - grand father (fathers side)
zodadima - grand father (mothers side)
zomamida - grand mother (fathers side)
zomamima - grand mother (mothers side)
dadi - father
mami - mother
hidida - uncle (fathers side)
hidima - uncle (mothers side)
himida - aunt (fathers side)
himima - aunt (mothers side)
zidigori - oldest son
digori - older son
digorna - younger son
digornya - youngest son
zimigori - oldest daughter
migori - older daughter
migorna - younger daughter
migornya - youngest daughter
zisamdi - oldest brother
samdi - older brother
sodi - younger brother
zisodi - youngest brother
zisammi - oldest sister
sammi - older sister
somi - younger sister
zisomi - youngest sister
nyidor - husband
nyithidor - husband with children
nyimor - wife
nyithimor - wife with children
dhugridim - blood-brother
dhulunidim - blood-sister

And I just added:
nyuzisamdiva - oldest brothers wife
nyusamdiva - older brothers wife
nyusodiva - younger brothers wife
nyuzisodiva - youngest brothers wife
nyuzisammiva - oldest sisters husband
nyusumiva - older sisters husband
nyusomiva - younger sisters husband
nyuzisomiva - youngest sisters husband
dianu - twin brother
mianu - twin sister


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My conlang uses a root compounding system for family names and uses gender particles to specify gender.

Gender Particles: U (male),I (Female),E (Neuter/Generic)

Nosorian Family Vocabulary: (Eçi Cuitçhoucresi Noçoroesi)

E zatzat =grandparent(lit. parent-parent)
I zatzat =grandmother
U zatzat =grandfather
E zat = parent
U zat = father
I zat = mother
E cele =child
U cele =son
I cele =daughter
E mig = sibiling
U mig = brother
I mig = sister
E zatmig = parent-sibling
U zatmig = Uncle
I zatmig = Aunt
E zatmigcele = Cousin (lit. parent-sibiling-child)
U zatmigcele = Male cousin
I zatmigcele = Female cousin
E migcele = sibling-child
U migcele = neffew
I migcele = niece
E zatmigcelecele =cousin-child
U zatmigcelecele =male cousin-child
I zatmigcelecele = female cousin-child
E Celecele =grandchild (lit. child-child)
U Celecele = grandson
I Celecele = granddaugther

I'll put more later when Noçore is more developed,and yes I did this all from memory.

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Cafhellyn has pretty few words for this. There is no gender distinction between family members, in that the word for mother and father is the same word, but the words still inflect for their natural gender (both brother and sister translate to pydha, but "the sister" is "o mydha" and "the brother" is "ac mydha".

family; nwnda
father; ar
mother; ar
brother; pydha
sister; pydha
son; cal
daugher; cal
relative; clath (always inflected as masculine, and simply means relative, with no distinction, as in English)

I haven't done more than that. I might add more. I might not.


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Thanks, @serali.
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Having sat in on a class a few weeks ago at UBama about kinship systems, I'm tempted to give my IE-like Northern family a bit of flavor by adding in a Crow-Omaha system.


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FWICT, Lakota has a system most similar to the Iroquois one, but they're not quite the same. I'll post about it when I have time later.


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It wouldn't be unheard of. Akan goes from Iroquois to Crow in certain circumstances. I don't know about a Crow-Omaha switch though. They seem too dissimilar, but that's just me.

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