!X?? phonology

pharazon · Post by **pharazon** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 6:53 pm

Maknas wrote:(I think ?? is just a way of writing a single sound without using piled diacritics... if they're seperate, please correct me )

I was confused about that for a while too, but:

Traill wrote:Long vowels are clearly to be interpreted as a sequence of like vowels, that is, as consisting of two morae

So, you're partially right: ?? is a single sound [o~_H:], but it does contrast with ?' (i.e. ? with acute).

Mecislau · Post by **Mecislau** » Thu Feb 05, 2004 8:09 pm

pharazon wrote:
Maknas wrote:(I think ?? is just a way of writing a single sound without using piled diacritics... if they're seperate, please correct me )
I was confused about that for a while too, but:

Traill wrote:Long vowels are clearly to be interpreted as a sequence of like vowels, that is, as consisting of two morae
So, you're partially right: ?? is a single sound [o~_H:], but it does contrast with ?' (i.e. ? with acute).

Hmm... Interesting... At least I was close

*is overwhelmed by number of phonemes*

Salmoneus · Post by **Salmoneus** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 9:11 am

Nuorese? Does he say where that's spoken? I hadn't heard of it.

Space Dracula · Post by **Space Dracula** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 10:01 pm

pharazon wrote:Drydic_guy is right, I did mean retroflex. Maybe there're some areas with d_>, but I don't know about them.

Yeah, I thought the original was pretty fucked up-looking.

Drydic · Post by **Drydic** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 6:29 am

Salmoneus wrote:Nuorese? Does he say where that's spoken? I hadn't heard of it.

He says that some consider it a subdialect of Logudorese. It's basically the eastern middle of the island.

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 10:46 am

Where did you get this book, Pharazon? And are there any other books you can get on it?

pharazon · Post by **pharazon** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 7:47 pm

Rory wrote:Where did you get this book, Pharazon? And are there any other books you can get on it?

The local university library (University of Arizona). There aren't any more books on it there; I imagine you'd have to look in journals to get more information. And if you're wondering, the book is "Phonetic and phonological studies of !X?? Bushman", by Traill, and semi-available from Amazon.

VeganGrinder · Post by **VeganGrinder** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:04 pm

Wow, I have just read the !X?? Phonology. That is one really crazy phonology. Teaching your kid to speak that must be a pain in the you know what. But besides all that, it's well I find it to be remarkable anyways. All the pharyngealization of vowels, preglottalizing, stacking of characteristics like velarized, pharyngealized and prenasalized or whatever. Something like that anyways. I noticed on another thread somehwere someone proposed an idea, probably half in jest that we could have a competition on who could make an alphabet for it. What does everyone think? I think it is a bloody good idea. I think I will start to make one right away. I would love to see other people do that too.

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:09 pm

A syllabry would be more fun

VeganGrinder · Post by **VeganGrinder** » Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:14 pm

Sorry, when I said "alphabet" I meant script. You could do it however you would like.

pharazon · Post by **pharazon** » Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:14 am

Update: I've written up a bigger page on !X??, going into quite a bit more detail than I did here. Check it out: http://scorpius.spaceports.com/~pharazo/Xoo.html.

dhok · Post by **dhok** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:24 am

Utterly ridiculous.