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There's plenty of cases where this isn't too problematic, but imagine an island colonized by late romans which already had been colonized -and forgotten- by chinese. You get something of a romlang with extensive chinese influences [or a sinolang with latin influences] is it an IE lang, or Sino-tibetan?

Or, say, creoles... what family do they fit in?

my bottom-line question is in the title: what's the criteria to say that a 'lang belongs in a particular family?


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So what matters is grammatical similitude, instead of shared lexicon?


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Is there necessarily a single rule?

1. Copper Island Aleut has replaced the conjugational suffixes of the verb by Russian ones. So much for the persistence of morphology.

2. Sardinian speech is a continuum from Sardinian influenced by Italian to Italian influenced by Sardinian. It's not always easy to draw a line: in the Middle Ages, Corsican was a language like Sardinian, but now it's an Italian dialect.

3. Pidgins take a vocabulary mainly from a foreign language and a simplified grammar from a local one. We call Tok Pisin an English pidgins, classifying by vocabulary, but that may be just because we're English speakers; why shouldn't it be a Tolai pidgin?

3. Michif uses French for the nouns, Cree for the verbs. I'd say that's a conlang!


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Root words, I guess.


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