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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:12 am 
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I just had a short exchange with a colleague.

EX (1) :
"Est-ce qu'elle est ici ce matin?" (Asking about someone)
"Oui, elle l'est."

Elsewhere, it has been discussed that this "le" would be a proadjective. But as we can see in the following sentences, "le" does not replace adjectives but predicative phrases.

EX:
(2) Est-ce qu'il est sûr de vouloir partir à Québec? Il l'est.
(3) Est-ce qu'il est en train de danser en pleine nuit? Oui, il l'est.
(4) Est-ce qu'il est parti? Oui, il l'est.
(5) Est-ce qu'il semble devenir heureux? Oui, il le semble.

You need a predicative verb for it to be used, but otherwise, it would seem that, unless it's a loctive phrase, that "le" can replace anything.

How would it be analysed, morphosyntactically? Are there any polysynthetic languages or languages that uses clitics à la française that can do the same thing with predicates?

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An interesting observation indeed!

I can't comment more sensibly but I wonder how similar/different the uses of the related forms in other Romance languages are.

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I don't have the answer to your question, but I can point out that the Scandinavian det works the same way (examples in Norwegian):

- Var hun her i morges? ("Was she here this morning?")
- Ja, det var hun.

For active verbs you have to use gjøre "to do" as a pro-verb:
- Kastet han ballen? ("Did he throw the ball?")
- Ja, det gjorde han.

Can you do something like this in French?
- Est-ce qu'il a jeté la balle?
- Oui, il l'a fait.


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