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the past tense of bullshit is bullshat. e n g l i s h s t r o n g
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Bullshit's a verb?

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Well, the Catholic Church said beavers are fish, so why not rabbit-birds?
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To be fair, cladistically speaking, beavers are fish, as are all other terrestrial vertebrates.

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Ehh... that analysis doesn't really hold up. If all vertebrates are fish, you could just as easily claim that all living things are just weird varieties of prokaryote.
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Which, well, we are. Now, such a definition is probably not very useful in everyday matters, but it is correct.
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Nor is 'all vertebrates are fish' useful.

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Nortaneous wrote:the past tense of bullshit is bullshat. e n g l i s h s t r o n g
So . . . twerk --> twrought?
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2+3 clusivity wrote:
Nortaneous wrote:the past tense of bullshit is bullshat. e n g l i s h s t r o n g
So . . . twerk --> twrought?
jerk → jrought?
smirk → smrought? :o
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The Trøndersk dialect of Norwegian has, for long /i/ in most other dialects, [ð̩˕ʲː]

Yes, that's a long palatalized frictionless syllabic voiced dental fricative.
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Chagen wrote:The Trøndersk dialect of Norwegian has, for long /i/ in most other dialects, [ð̩˕ʲː]

Yes, that's a long palatalized frictionless syllabic voiced dental fricative.
That sounds like it's just a long /i/ with the tongue tip pushed forward between the teeth... an odd gesture, perhaps, but how different does it sound?

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I remember skogvur saying something of a region specific speech in Swedish, that it had the same type of /i/
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It's not that uncommon to have a 'raised' /i/, to the point that it almost becomes a fricative. It's a funny sound, but I've heard it a lot in Swedish (which I don't speak) and even sometimes in French (which I do speak).
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KathAveara wrote:Bullshit's a verb?
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I posted about this in the Random Thread, but Tehit marks (with single-consonant prefixes) almost everything that isn't a noun (and even inalienable nouns!) for its referent nominal.
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While many languages make use of bare verb stems or otherwise relatively unmarked forms of a verb to form the imperative, in the Utian languages of central California imperatives are genrally the *most* marked category of verb. The only verbal inflections reconstructable to proto-Utian are the imperative, the reflexive, the reflexive imperative, the andative (to go and...), the andative imperative, and some kind of volitional suffix. In the Costanoan (Ohlone) and Western Miwok languages the reflexive suffix and various flavors of imperative suffixes are arguably the only remaining verb inflections, although verbs may also take pronominal proclitics agreeing with the subject of the clause. Catherine Callaghan reconstructs proto-Costanoan verbal suffixes like so:

Reflexive: *-pi ~ *-pe
2nd person singular imperative: *-j, *-ij after word-final consonants
2nd person plural imperative: *-ʈ
2nd person singular imperative with first person object (like the English "tell me!"): *-t̪
2nd person plural imperative with first person object: *-m
Andative imperative (like the English "go and fight!): -jis
Reciprocal imperative (like the English "help each other!"): *-mu ~ *-mo
Reflexive imperative (like the English "wash yourself!"): *-po ~ *-pu

In Western Miwok and Mutsun within the Costanoan family, reflexes of *-mu ~ *-mo may be used as general reciprocal markers when combined with the appropriate pronouns, but the imperative meaning seems to be primary.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemnitz_German_phonology

A dialect of German with r > q, contrastive vowel pharyngealization, one aspirated consonant, and apparently no low vowels.
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Nortaneous wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemnitz_German_phonology

A dialect of German with r > q, contrastive vowel pharyngealization, one aspirated consonant, and apparently no low vowels.
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This seems an appropriate place to ask a question.

On a TV show that portrays Yorkshire 100 years ago, there was a man of low SES who said "It was 5 year ago". Now I know this is all performance and I'm sure the accent is being played up, but it was curious to me to see the English dropping the plural 100 years ago. Perhaps this is commonplace, I am not English, I do not know. What explains this? Is it still common today in Yorkshire?
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It is, or at least it's common in accents on tv that are meant to be from Yorkshire. In general if you're watching British tv what you're seeing is modern accents standing in for however they would have spoken, which technically we don't know because there were no recordings back then.

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Viktor77 wrote:On a TV show that portrays Yorkshire 100 years ago, there was a man of low SES who said "It was 5 year ago". Now I know this is all performance and I'm sure the accent is being played up, but it was curious to me to see the English dropping the plural 100 years ago. Perhaps this is commonplace, I am not English, I do not know. What explains this? Is it still common today in Yorkshire?
What explains this? A common tendency in the Indo-European languages not to mark plurals on nouns used as counters. Cf. "ten head of cattle", "four score years". English examples with year go back to the Anglo-Saxon period (e.g. "An wif...þolode blodryne twelf gear" [Matt. 9:20]). The OED labels this usage "Now chiefly regional" and gives a citation from 2010 (albeit from a work of historical fiction): "Two year we were courting—near enough to two year."

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In Dutch, 'jaar' isn't pluralized after numerals. The same goes for 'uur' (hour).
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Nortaneous wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemnitz_German_phonology

A dialect of German with r > q, contrastive vowel pharyngealization, one aspirated consonant, and apparently no low vowels.
Oh. My. God. Coda R became pharyngealized vowels???

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TaylorS wrote:
Nortaneous wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemnitz_German_phonology

A dialect of German with r > q, contrastive vowel pharyngealization, one aspirated consonant, and apparently no low vowels.
Oh. My. God. Coda R became pharyngealized vowels???
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ir > ʌˤː
ur > ʊˤː
er > aˤː
or > oˤː
ar > ɔˤː

can't tell what happened to är
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