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Does Navajo's verbal system from Hell count as an 'odd feature'?


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is pretty insane.

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More to the point, Chipewyan is an Athabaskan Dene-Yeniseian language.

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Besides which, Dene-Yeniseian isn't proven yet, it's just looked on more favorably than most long-distance comparisons because Vaida isn't a crackpot.

Also, Chipewyan isn't really that strange? Compared to Karajá, whose inventory is ridiculously unbalanced.


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has four lateral affricates, all of which are velar. And it has /ɚ/.

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That looks like an Austro-asiatic analogue to what Semitic has... except that the vowels are part of the root too, and insane sorts of infixation are a matter of course...

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Reading about the insanities of Athabaskan tongues makes me wonder how they ever got to be that way in the first place.


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Might as well bring this back, since we've got its diachronic equivalent going now also.

Allowed final clusters in Qiang are either the same as or a subset of allowed initial clusters, and the only allowed C1s in a cluster (all clusters are two consonants) are /ʂ x χ/. However, /ʂ/ is realized as [s] before /t d/, and as [ɕ] before /pi pe bi tɕ dʑ/, and there's regressive voicing assimilation. So, you can have both xɬi̯ex (xɬi̯exbuʐ 'loess') and tʂʰexɬ 'sip', both ɣlu 'roll' and əɣl 'upright', etc.

edit: Qiang also has rhoticity harmony:
ʀuɑ + kʰe˞ > ʀuɑ˞kʰe˞
me + we˞ > me˞we˞
(Only /i e ə a/ appear with rhoticity in roots, but all vowels can take it, since the first-person plural marker for verbs is -˞.)

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apparently did not get the memo about front ejectiv stops being rarer than back ones; it has an inventory of /pʼ tʼ sʼ ʃʼ xʼ/.

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