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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:01 pm 
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Drehet has ; like a number of other Oceanic languages it has a prenasalized trill (in this case, the only prenasalized segment in the inventory). It also has only one aspirate, /kʰ/. Also, the Arapahoan languages don't have any low vowels, e.g. the vowels of Arapaho and Gros Ventre are /i(:) ɨ(:) ɛ(:) ɔ(:)/ (historical *a(:) changed to *o(:) in Proto-Arapahoan, whose vowel inventory was: */i i: e e: o o:/). Unfortunately detailed stuff on the exact phonetics involved aren't easy to come by (plus Gros Ventre is basically dead now), but it definitely seems like the normal realizations of the latter two vowels are [ɛ] and [ɔ] (except /ɔɛ/ seems to be realized as [ai]??). Gros Ventre also had two palatalized consonants, /tʲ/ and /bʲ/, giving it the consonant inventory: /b bʲ t tʲ ʦ ʧ k ʔ/, /θ s h/, /n/, /w j/.


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I can aswell add this here: In Piitish the determiners are declined with |-a when they end a sentence.

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I have heard that once a language become "important" enough in its area that people who didn't grow up speaking it have to learn it, it starts losing its most ridiculous features, because L2s will just ignore them. It sounds convincing, but I don't know how true it actually is, since hunter-gatherers routinely speak four or five languages without losing their crazy features.


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To prevent this thread from being eaten by the stupid:

Re: Qiang phonotactics, I probably should've mentioned that the language tends toward monosyllabic words, usually by dropping schwas: (also note final consonant mutation: pʰ kʰ dz dʐ b Cʰ > ɸ~f x z l w C)
sə 'tree' + pʰə 'forest' > səf 'tree/shrub'
me˞ː 'rain' + kʰə˞ 'fall' > me˞x 'frost'
mɑ 'NEG' + dʐə 'able' > mɑl 'not able'
sə 'IMP' + tɕʰə 'drink, eat wet foods' > sətɕ

So that might have something to do with the odd cluster thing, although the grammar doesn't take any guesses.

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Voiced aspirates! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_!Xung

*face-palm* Even Ladefoged and Maddieson find it valid.


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Why wouldn't they? (Those aren't even technically voiced aspirates, they're voice contours, as the description says. You see the same thing in !Xoo clicks.)

I recently learned, however, that true voiced aspirates (not breathy voiced either-- voiced stops with a delayed VOT on the vowel) do occur in some Austronesian language. Can't remember which.

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has its creaky vowels lowered in comparison to its modal vowels, such that there are no low modal vowels and no high creaky vowels. (Modal and creaky vowels only contrast in the mid height.) This even extends to the diphthongs.

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