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I'd imagine a common way is to not allow incorporated nouns to take relative clauses.

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Whimemsz, this is a mighty effort. I plan on reading through this thoroughly tomorrow, as I am really interested in polysynthesis / complex morphology theoretically in my work and just...this is great. Good job.


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What a great thread! :) It reminds me times, when I wanted to create a polysynthetic language myself... I hope it's not going to dissapear after some time (I remember that this was often the case with many threads before, at least while ZBB was on its former hosting).


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I'm working on a fairly polysynthetic language at the moment. I'll try to find more inspiration in this thread. Thanks! Great job.

If anybody wants to judge my work or simply try to find some inspiration in that, here's my currently longest text in it, complete with glosses, dual translations and pronunciation as well as additional comments and explanations at the end: http://www.aveneca.com/cbb/viewtopic.ph ... 173#p83173

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I've read almost everything now and I have indeed gotten some new thoughts spinning in my head, so once again, thanks.

I just translated some lyrics and the line 'it's like I'm walking on broken glass' turned out as 'jéwwįwíjáslmajsalaltawœn'. :D
That's break-glitter-SUPESS-walk<SUBJ>-1P-SEMBL-ESS.3PS, broken up as jég-vín-vÁj-á<z(A)>lm-Aj-(A)s-AlAltA-wœn.

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Mithun's paper actually mentions some cases of what I would call semi-incorporation, for instance in a number of Austronesian languages, and discusses some of the paths by which NI can develop. I was planning on talking about that more in-depth in the section on the development of polysynthesis. When I eventually get to it.

Maybe I'll work on the last couple sections today. We'll see.



(Also, this reminds me, I'm gonna have to edit the NI post, since there are languages in which NI is not a valence-decreasing operation, but I didn't really discuss that there.)


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It's significant, though, that all but one of your examples are substantivized. English is certainly very flexible with deverbal compounds, but not really so much with "NI". Consider: My cousins deer hunt all the time out in the country, He doctor recommended me a new allergy medication, Polysynthetic languages often noun incorporate and head mark. They aren't awful or uninterpretable, but they sound somewhat stilted or playful. Babysit is an interesting counterexample (or is it? When one babysits one doesn't sit babies).


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