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Hlewagastiz, puc preguntar d'on ets? Pensa que encara que no parlis el catal? amb flu?desa, ja has fet molt m?s que molta gent que fa 50 anys que viu a Catalunya!! Per tant, els catalans i catalanes, quan veiem a gent de fora que vol aprendre la llengua del pa?s ens fa molt feli?os! :wink: Som aix? d'humils... Una cosa que, d'altra banda, hauria de ser ben normal (aprendre la llengua del pa?s on es va a viure)...

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Pronominalització del complement circumstancial "Pronominalization of the circumstantial object"

1) The en pronoun substitutes the nominal syntagmas introduced by the preposition de:

Ara veniu de l'exposició? Sí, ara en venim "Do youse come from the exposition now? Yes, we come from it"

2) The hi pronoun substitutes the nominal syntagmas introduced by every preposition, except from preposition de:

Anireu a l'exposició? Sí, hi anirem demà "Do youse will go to the exposition? Yes, we'll go to the exposition tomorrow"

3) There are adverbial expressions that must be substituted by the pronoun hi even though they are introduced by preposition de:

Van entrar d'esquitllentes. Hi van entrar. "They entered unnoticedly. They entered that way"

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EL DOMINI LINGÜÍSTIC DEL CATALÀ
"THE LINGUISTIC DOMAIN OF CATALAN"


POBLACIÓ DELS TERRITORIS DE LLENGUA CATALANA PER ESTATS I DEMARCACIONS ADMINISTRATIVES
"POPULATION OF THE TERRITORIES OF THE CATALAN LANGUAGE PER STATES AND ADMINISTRATIVE DEMARCATIONS"

Territories | Population of the Catalan language territory* | Total population* | %**

ANDORRA | 37.825 | 37.825 | 100%
FRANCE 325.992 | 54.334.871 | 0'59%
Departament of Eastern Pyrennes 325.992 | 334.557 | 97'40%
ITALY 34.641 | 57.080.498 | 0'06%
Province of Sassari 34.641 | 434.651 | 7'97
SPAIN 11.393.716 | 37.616. 947 | 30'29
Aragon region 60.728 | 1.213.099 | 5%
Balearian Islands region 685.088 | 685.088 | 100%
Catalonia region 5.953.053 | 5.958.208 | 99'91%
Murcia region 2.873 | 957.903 | 0'30%
Valencian region 3.188.313 | 3.646.765 | 87'42

Total of speakers of Catalan: 11.792.174 in the decade of 80s. About 12.000.000 nowadays.

* According to the Spanish census of 1981, the French census of 1982, the Italian census of 1984 and the Andorran census of 1981.
** Of population of the territory of the Catalan language.

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12 milions ?s el nombre d'habitants dels Pa?sos Catalans que saben parlar i entenen el catal?. Els 7 milions s?n els que tenen el catal? com a llengua pr?pia o, si ho prefereixes, com a primera llengua.

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Segueixo dient que ?s un nombre molt alt ja que tota la gent, com ja dic en el meu missatge anterior (almenys la nascuda a fora), no parla mai el catal? i amb prou feines l'ent?n. Amb aix? tampoc dic que tota aquella gent que va venir no s'integr?s, eh? N'hi va haver molts que s?, com part dels meus familiars. No ho s? Roger, dec estar pessimista, per? tan sols ?s una opini? personal. :mrgreen:

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I la respecto, la teva opini?!!! :D

Per? pensa que 7 milions de catalanoparlants que tenen el catal? com a primera llengua no ?s una xifra tant exagerada. Primer de tot perqu? a Catalunya ja som, d'entrada, 6 milions de persones, als que despr?s hem d'afegir els altres milions que representen les altres terres dels Pa?sos Catalans.
Pel que fa a l'immigraci?, especialment l'espanyola, tant ?s veritat que molts no es van dignar ni a aprendre la nostra llengua com que molts altres la van aprendre, millor o pitjor, ja fos per defer?ncia envers naltros o perqu? s'hi van veure 'obligats'. Sigui com sigui ?s bastant alt el nombre d'immigrants, o millor dit, ex-immigrants espanyols que parlen amb normalitat el catal?, per no parlar ja dels fills d'aquesta immigraci?, que van n?ixer a Catalunya i van mamar el catal? ja des de la seva infantesa. El que vull dir amb aix? ?s que potser molta d'aquesta gent d'origen espanyol (directe o indirecte) no parlen el catal? a casa seva, en el seu ?mbit familiar, per? potser l'usen amb total normalitat amb els seus amics, per exemple. No s?n pocs els fills d'immigrants espanyols que parlen amb sons pares en castell? per?, en canvi, usen el catal? quan es relacionen amb d'altra gent del Pa?s, especialment amb gent de la seva edat. Tinc uns quants amics de la meva facultat que s?n bon exemples d'aquest cas: fills d'immigrants, nascuts a Catalunya, que parlen castell? amb la fam?lia per? catal? en altres ?mbits.

Vaja, que vull dir que la gent que parla castell? en el seu ?mbit familiar no t? perqu? ser considerada ?nicament castellanoparlant i, per tant, exclosa d'aquest recompte de catalanoparlants: si considerem a aquestes persones com a catalanoparlants pel simple fet d'emprar el catal? en l'?mbit social (tot i que no pas en el familiar) crec que dir que s?n 7 milions els catalans d'arreu dels Pa?sos Catalans els que tenen el catal? com a llengua pr?pia no ?s massa exagerat.


Una altra cosa s?n aquests 12 milions d'habitants dels PP.CC. que, en teoria, saben parlar i entenen el catal?... I dic 'en teoria' perqu? ja m'agradaria saber a mi quants d'aquests 12 milions realment entenen bastant o molt b? la nostra llengua, per no dir-te ja quins d'aquests 12 milions la saben parlar!!
Aquesta xifra s? que em sembla m?s dubtosa que l'anterior!!! :P

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Hola, s?c Brazilian dude i com es pot veure pel meu nom, s?c brasiler. Parlo una mica de catal?, una llengua de la qual he quedad enamorat el primer cop que l'he vista. No en coneix molt, per? crec que em comunico prou b?.

Em sembla rid?cul que hi hagi gent que digui que el catal? ?s un dialecte de l'espanyol, el catal? ?s molt diferent. Qualsevol persona amb un poc de coneixements ling??stics pot veure clarament que les dues lleng?es s?n b? diverses. Per?, no estic d'acord amb les persones que diuen que el catal? i el valenci? s?n idiomes diferents, crec que ho fan per purs motius pol?tics, o qu? s? jo!

Qualsevol correcci? al meu catal? ser? benvinguda!

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