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Just FYI for those learning Dutch or lacking easily-accessible Dutch audio sources (e.g., Dutchophones living out of the Lowlands areas).

I went searching for audio stuff to listen to on my commute to and from the university, and found all sorts of helpful stuff:

, a blog archive page about audio materials in different languages (Dutch primary, and English secondary). Links to lots of free audio podcasts and online MP3 stuff like children's stories.

- Fairytales, fables, and children's stories, all downloadable in MP3 format for free, ranging from 4 minutes up to 30 minutes in length. Over 90!

- Adult literary works made into free audiobooks, downloadable.

And in iTunes, if you select the Belgium store (listed as "Belgique" for me), try the following free podcasts:

Hoorspelcast - (Semi?)-Professionally done radio-theatre, attempting to bring the art back in a podcast format.

De Volkskrant 1600 - 4pm news stories, updated every day.

inTecht - Dutch-language technology podcast

Radioboeken - Radio....books.

There's also a lot of free video podcasts, but I can't play those on my iPod, so I won't list them here :)


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Yes the post about Dutch tense/aspect is ridiculous. Nobody uses the gerund forms 'ik ben slapende' anyway. I know it's from 2005 but I don't think that post deserves a place in the L&L museum. The guy who made that post is probably not a linguist, it looks like he just tried to literally calque the English aspects/tenses into Dutch.


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I didn't know Dutch had so much Hebrew in it. That's fun.


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Dutch from the Amsterdam area has lots of Jiddisch (and, often, ultimately Hebrew) loanwords yes. Some of that has gotten into standard usage, though not nearly all. There used to be a special criminal argot (Bargoens) which consisted nearly entirely of Yiddish lexical items with Dutch grammar and function words, but that has died out. There seem to be new criminal argots, but mostly with lexical items from other languages (sranan, turkish, morroccan arabic/berber etc.). Youth languages also borrow from the latter sources.

Other than that I don't think there's a lot of Hebrew in Dutch. Yes if you read the old Bible translation (Statenvertaling) from the 18th century, you will see arhaic cDutch which is basically a calque of the original Hebrew text. Both the archaic nature of the text (think King James English) and the weird structures because the text is a near litteral calque make it hard to comprehend for those who weren't brought up with this ancient Bible translation (it is sometimes regarded virtually Divinely Inspired, like the KJV in King James Only congregations). It is still used regularly in the most fundie/orthodox protestant churches. I find it a very, very handy tool when trying to interpret the Hebrew texts.

1 Sam 16:
Toen zeide de HEERE tot Samuël: Hoe lang draagt gij leed om Saul, dien Ik toch verworpen heb, dat hij geen koning zij over Israël?
then said the LORD to Samuël: how long carriest thou sorrow about Saul; that I interjection thrown.out have, that he no king be over Israel
Vul uw hoorn met olie, en ga heen; Ik zal u zenden tot Isaï, den Bethlehemiet; want Ik heb Mij een koning onder zijn zonen uitgezien.
Fill thy horn with oil, and go forth; I shall thee send to Isai, the Bethlehemian; because I have Me a king under his sons seen

16:1 וַיֹּאמֶר יְהוָה אֶל־שְׁמוּאֵל עַד־מָתַי אַתָּה מִתְאַבֵּל אֶל־שָׁאוּל וַאֲנִי מְאַסְתִּיו מִמְּלֹךְ עַל־יִשְׂרָאֵל מַלֵּא קַרְנְךָ שֶׁמֶן וְלֵךְ אֶֽשְׁלָחֲךָ אֶל־יִשַׁי בֵּֽית־הַלַּחְמִי כִּֽי־רָאִיתִי בְּבָנָיו לִי מֶֽלֶךְ׃


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Yes what is 'toch' exactly? It's one of the words I miss in English (just like 'wel', which is kinda the opposite of 'niet' (not) in Dutch ).


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