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Avisaru
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Proto-Kangthang

/p pʰ b t tʰ d ȶ ȶʰ ȡ k kʰ/
/m n ȵ ŋ/
/r/
/β ɬ s z ʂ ʐ ɕ ʑ x ɦ/
/ʦ ʦʰ ʣ ʈʂ ʈʂʰ ɖʐ ʨ ʨʰ ʥ/
/w l ȴ j ʟ/

/i a u ə ɔ ɛ/

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h//_
./ ./_
,/ ,/_
:/ :/_
;/ ;/_
!/ !/_
”/ ”/_
i̯/j/_
u̯/w/_
L/V:/_
ṓ/ó:/_
ḗ/é:/_

ₓ/₂/_
g/h/_
hʰ/₂/_
k/q/_
ḱ/k/_
ǵ/g/_
hʷ/w/_
HV/\\/_
bʰ/β/_
dʰ/z/_
gʰ/ɣ/_
wʰ/f/_
qʷ/p/_
kw/p/_
n̥/ɲ/_
̥/i/_
₁/h/_
₂/x/_
₃/f/_
h//i_
x//u_
xw/w/_
[hx]//G_
ə/i/_#
ə//V_
ə//_V
F/j/_V
B/w/_V
[xhf]//C_C
f//_C
βj/hj/_
Vm/\\/_C
mu/m/_


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V=aeiouáéíóúə
G=áéíóú
L=āēīōū
C=ptcqbdgmnlrhksβɣjwz
F=ie
B=ou
S=ptkh
Z=bdgḡ
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h₂áu̯ei̯ h₁i̯osméi̯ h₂u̯l̥h₁náh₂ né h₁ést, só h₁éḱu̯oms derḱt. só gʷr̥hₓúm u̯óǵʰom u̯eǵʰed; só méǵh₂m̥ bʰórom; só dʰǵʰémonm̥ h₂ṓḱu bʰered. h₂óu̯is h₁ékʷoi̯bʰi̯os u̯eu̯ked: “dʰǵʰémonm̥ spéḱi̯oh₂ h₁éḱu̯oms-kʷe h₂áǵeti, ḱḗr moi̯ agʰnutor”. h₁éḱu̯ōs tu u̯eu̯kond: “ḱludʰí, h₂ou̯ei̯! tód spéḱi̯omes, n̥sméi̯ agʰnutór ḱḗr: dʰǵʰémō, pótis, sē h₂áu̯i̯es h₂u̯l̥h₁náh₂ gʷʰérmom u̯éstrom u̯ept, h₂áu̯ibʰi̯os tu h₂u̯l̥h₁náh₂ né h₁esti. tód ḱeḱluu̯ṓs h₂óu̯is h₂aǵróm bʰuged
h₃rḗḱs h₁est; só n̥putlós. h₃rḗḱs súhxnum u̯l̥nh₁to.

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áwej hjosméj wliná né ést , só épmos derkt . só wrjúm wóɣom weɣed ; só mégmi βórom ; só zɣémonmi ó:ku βered . ówis épojhjos wewqed : “zɣémonmi spékjox épmos-pe ágeti , ké:r moj axnutor ” . épo:s tu wewqond : “kluzí , owej ! tód spékjomes , ɲsméj axnutór ké:r : zɣémo: , pótis , se: áwjes wliná férmom wéstrom wept , áwihjos tu wliná né ehsti . tód kekluwó:s ówis axgróm βuhed
ré:ks ehst ; só ɲputlós . ré:ks súnum wlinto .

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:39 pm 
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You should learn to make more of your sound changes conditional, and not just conditional based on being adjacent to C or V either. And to treat your sound changes as real sound changes, and not simple graphical substitution of symbols, e.g. by making sound changes apply at a featural level rather than a graphical one. (You might not want to write your sound changes as if they were meant for your favorite SCA either, especially if it is not a featural SCA.)

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:00 pm 
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e/ɔ/_w
o/ɛ/_j
w/b/_C
[bg]/d/_j
C//_q
s/h/_#
kh/x/_
hj/ʝ/_
j//_[jɲʝ]
e/ɛ/_(:)[hxɣgq]
é/ɛ́/_(:)[hqxɣg]
e/ɛ/[hxɣgq]_
é/ɛ́/[hqxɣg]_
i/e/_(:)[xhqɣg]
i/e/[hɣgqx]_
o/ɔ/_(:)[hxɣqg]
o/ɔ/[hɣgqx]_
u/o/_(:)[hxɣqg]
u/o/[hɣgqx]_
[hx]//_#
w/ʋ/_F
i[jʝ]/j/_
[oɔ]/ɛ/Cj_
j//C_
[eɛ]j/i/_
éj/í/_
ɛ́j/é/_
r/:/V_C
l/j/_i


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V=aeiouíéɛáóúɔ
L=āēīōū
C=ptcqbdgmnlrxwkʋjhs
F=ieíéɛ
B=ou
S=ptk
Z=bdg
T=dn


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áwej hjosméj wliná né ést , só épmos derkt . só wrjúm wóɣom weɣed ; só mégmi βórom ; só zɣémonmi ó:ku βered . ówis épojhjos wewqed : “zɣémonmi spékjox épmos-pe ágeti , ké:r moj axnutor ” . épo:s tu wewqond : “kluzí , owej ! tód spékjomes , ɲsméj axnutór ké:r : zɣémo: , pótis , se: áwjes wliná férmom wéstrom wept , áwihjos tu wliná né ehsti . tód kekluwó:s ówis axgróm βuhed
ré:ks ehst ; só ɲputlós . ré:ks súnum wlinto . ||

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áʋi ʝosmí bjiná né ést , só épmɔ de:kt . só brúm wóɣɔm ʋɛɣɛd ; só mɛ́gmi βórom ; só zɣɛ́monmi ó:ku βered . óʋe épɛʝɔ wɔqɛd : “zɣɛ́monmi spékɛ épmos-pe ágɛti , ké:r mi axnutor ” . épɔ: tu wɔqɔnd : “kluzí , oʋi ! tód spékɛmɛ , ɲsmí axnutór ké:r : zɣɛ́mo: , póte , se: ádɛ bjiná fé:mom ʋéstrom ʋept , áʋɛ tu bjiná né ɛhsti . tód kekluwó: óʋe axgróm βohɛd
rɛ́: ɛhst ; só ɲputló . rɛ́: súnum bjinto . ||

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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 2:05 am 
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Hakuřimu b̶iʔg̶̊užoʔŋ žuʔuteʔ b̶aŋyiŋ kiřiʔŋ piŋžuŋhau. G̶̊iŋhuʔ kiqře teŋbaʔŋ žiŋg̶̊aʔŋ přateŋ yumhaʔŋ. Hotutoʔntuŋ džuduʔ pa dotbab̶oktiŋ pum piqamtoʔŋkažuŋ tiʔpřidimsat badot hadaʔm. Ŋuʔb̶impim miʔhaʔŋseŋdoʔŋ tiʔŋeʔsam ikmoŋ paŋhe edeʔ. Komžoʔmag̶̊uʔ diŋb̶iʔŋhaʔ simpřiyoʔŋ ŋiŋdžaʔŋ diŋŋiʔmpiʔŋ qřižeŋŋeŋ qiʔŋqoʔŋ puntiʔm g̶̊iʔbub̶umtuʔ haʔŋboŋi. Ompig̶̊a. Qřub̶u beʔg̶̊aŋ beŋŋuŋg̶̊eŋi sahu ase? Qři dumpiʔmeŋ qřidoʔmdaʔ saʔŋunte džeuqřa eg̶̊ii bisota. Biŋat suekřažoʔŋžiʔŋ yoʔŋdimpiʔpiŋ ŋamiʔkiʔte yužuŋiř. Apeʔ toʔŋkeŋb̶aʔmmeŋ džumsu ipiʔtikidžaŋ iysiŋbiŋ. Muntiʔŋmiʔŋ yiʔŋ ŋoʔŋkaŋ kat g̶̊aʔŋsařpiŋdeʔ ihoʔŋ hiʔŋdaʔ. Piʔmim yeŋi deʔi řoʔmkřa. Ee žiʔŋme taʔŋiřoʔŋ třuduŋ. Řiʔmpuŋdoʔŋ piʔŋyu biŋkuŋyaʔŋe dempehimsaŋbe třikeʔ aktoʔŋ. Batbaʔŋhumbeŋ aboʔŋa haŋi siʔbaʔ huʔřemteŋžeŋ biti. Duŋqiʔŋsuŋ seʔkřa deʔyiʔm qaʔŋdoʔm žintiŋ ekřažuʔ udžaʔm doʔŋžoqpaŋřoʔŋ motqřa? Džumyuŋqřa džiŋdikeŋe kaʔŋiŋži tumpuŋ g̶̊ař siʔtiŋ. Simdaʔŋ yit džotqiʔŋ džoʔŋžeŋ biʔmse? Doʔŋŋi g̶̊iŋsentemtřeyoʔŋ huib̶daʔ džeʔpiʔmaʔŋ žaʔ žežiŋ? Poʔŋdaʔŋ poʔŋim třahoʔŋi tuŋřuʔg̶̊ubam ŋeŋg̶̊aʔŋ. Ikbiti ŋaʔŋqře miʔŋ eme b̶umg̶̊iŋdži g̶̊oʔŋdiʔtitaʔŋkim. Doʔŋg̶̊uʔ. Qřupem daʔŋeqřa b̶um oyyiʔ hiŋok haŋ. Pepaŋkaheŋdař ipoʔŋ baʔŋ bumpřuřumdeʔ suʔsuŋseŋ taŋkampeʔhuʔqře. Piʔ mekuŋ ežiqřa piʔŋqiŋsoʔŋb̶aʔmpiy qřekaʔm saʔŋiy. Boʔŋqřate humařsuʔa žiʔŋbaŋg̶̊umtiŋ qaŋžiq qummiʔ puʔik? Timpařdžiʔ baumemiŋ qiŋsaŋa pag̶̊aʔ křusaʔ dekokžiʔŋ. Siʔŋbiʔboʔŋkiʔŋ yaʔŋkiŋ suŋkiŋ g̶̊eŋ ŋaʔŋheʔg̶̊aʔŋ isaŋ hik. Bame qiʔhiyqiʔžib̶g̶̊aʔm deŋseŋhiʔ miʔŋda. Přižimpaʔŋiʔ hib̶koʔŋdiʔntoʔme b̶edaʔhiŋ duntemdeu tiʔmpomdžum ŋomdža?

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./ ./_
,/ ,/_
?/ ?/_
!/ !/_

ŋ/ⁿ/_/#_
ⁿ/ñ/ⁿ_
b̶/x°/_
b/k°/_
k°̶/x°/_
y/‹/_C
w/‹/_C
/‹/_’CC
’k/q/_
ř/c/_
g̶̊/x/_
m/°ⁿ/_C
m/°ⁿ/_#
m/ñ°/_
V°/\\/_
C//_c
k/q/_
d/k/_
p/h/_F
p/c°/_B
t/k/_o
u/î/_
o/u/_
°°/°/_
ch/h/_
DC/C/_
t//_#
t//_C
ⁿ/ⁿñ/V_V
’°/\\/_
‹°/\\/_
V°/\\/_
°°/°/_
e/ai/[hcq]_
s/c/_°
s/k/_Vk
s/t/_VC
s//_
e/a/°_
ž/y/_i
e/i/_
°H/°û/_
y//_
n/ŋ/_
ž/f/_u
ž/c/_°
ž/x/_
p/k/_°
p/’/#_
p//_
c/h/_#
[kq]/’/_#
//_[.,?!]

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L=āēīōū
C=ptcqbdgmnkxřlrhsž’
F=ie
B=ou
S=ptc
Z=bdg
D=ptcqbdgmnkxřlrhsž
H=îu



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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2016 6:22 am 
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./ ./_
,/ ,/_
?/ ?/_
!/ !/_
ŋ/ñ/_

b̶/w/_B
w//B_
b̶/b/#_
g̶̊/w/B_
u/w/_V
‘/˥/_N/_NV
‘/˥/_
˥N/\\/_/_V
t/˩/_$/_ř
tř/th/_
/˩/˩tV
ñ/n/V_V
ř/d/#_
ř/l/V_V
d/ř/V_V
ř/d/_$
g̶̊/kh/#_
g̶̊/g/_$
b̶/b/_$
qh/qx/_
ř/h/q_
q/ɢ/#_/_h
q/˩˦/_$/_h
x/h/_
dž/č/_/[ñm]_
[mñ]//_dž
ñ/‘/_(T)$/_(T)#
ř/h/S_
w/y/C_
[yw]/‘/_$
b̶/v/_
g̶̊/ƚ/_/N_
g̶̊/h/_
w/gʷ/_
V‘/W/_
k/g/_[$T]/_h
ž/š/V(T)_V/_Vž
N//_ž

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W=ɒæɛᴐø
L=āēīōū
C=ptcqbdgmnlrkřžyñhs
F=ie
B=ou
S=ptkq
Z=bdg
$=ptcqbdgmkřžñn˥lyrxhs
N=mnñ
T=˥˩˦

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ʔ/‘/_
./ ./_
,/ ,/_
?/ ?/_
!/ !/_

g̶̊/x/_
b̶/w/_
w/h/_a
a/ai/_y
w//F_
w/h/a_
k/q/_a
q/k/i_
w/f/_
‘ŋ/\\/_
‘m/\\/_
ŋ/ⁿ/V_/_V
m/ⁿ/V_/_V
ⁿ‘/\\/_/_V
G/N/ⁿ_
nž/ñ/_
ⁿ//_N
‘Z/S/_
ř/s/S_
s/f/p_
s/x/[kq]_
ř/ʁ/_
ⁿS/\\/_
Sⁿ/SN/_
SN/\\/_
mq/ŋq/_
‘N/\\/_
ŋ‘/\\/_
‘/p/m_
‘ⁿ/n/_
ⁿ‘/nt/_
ⁿ/h/_
‘/h/_
C/:/_²
:C/\\/_
/:/VC_V
[fsx]//S_
h//_/_:
h:/'/_
k/'/_#
q/k/_#
u/ʊ/_$/_$V
ʊ/u/_#
i/ɪ/_$/_$V
ɪ/i/_#

/w/ŋ_V
ŋ/g/#_

ŋ:/ŋ/_
u/w/_V
H/I/Q_
H/I/_Q

k:/q/_
Z:/S/_
Z/S/_$
tž/dž/_
S/Z/_Z
s/ʂ/_
ž/ɹ/_
dɹ/ʥ/_
š/ʨ/_
l/ɮ/_/_#
ɹ/l/_
l/ɮ/C_
y/j/_
j//i_/_V
p/w/m_/_:
://mp_
/ˈ/_C:
://_
ɪɕ/i/_
/'/#_V
V/ə/_ˈ
ˈ//_
/ˈ/#_/_[.,?!]
ñ/ɲ/_

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H=iu
I=ɪʊ
W=ɒæɛᴐø
L=āēīōū
C=ptcqbdgmnlŋrkřʔžʁyñhs
F=ie
B=ou
S=ptkqsšɕħɬ
Z=bdgɢřžyʁl
$=ptcqbdgmkřžñn˥lyrʁʔŋxhs
G=bdgfshywřžx
N=mnŋmnŋñmnñŋ
Q=qʁ
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:50 am 
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New conlang (again?)

/p b t tʼ d k kʼ ɡ/
/m n ŋ/
/s r/
/w j/

/i e ə a o u/ + vowel length

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reposted from the CBB

/p b t d k ʔ/ <p b t d k ʼ>
/m n ŋ/ <m n ng>
/ɾ/ <r>
/h/ <h>
/w j/ <w y>

/ɨ a/ <ɨ~i~u a~e~o>
/ɨɨ aa/ [ɨː ɑː] <ɨɨ~ii~uu aa~ee~oo>

CCVC

Permitted (syllable-initial) clusters

pm mp mb tn nt nd kŋ ŋk ʔm ʔn ʔp ʔt ʔk ʔŋ ʔr ʔh ʔw ʔj hp ht hk hm hn hŋ hw hj Pj* Pw Nj Nw hj hw rj rw Pr pt pk tk tp bd db md mk mt ŋd ŋt pp bb tt dd kk mm nn ŋŋ rr ww jj

*P=p b t d k

Vowel allophony

/a ɨ/ are pronounced [ɛ i] <e i> next to /j Cj jC/. /h ʔ/ do not block this rule, other consonants do.
/a ɨ/ are pronounced [ɔ u] <o u> next to /w Cw wC/. /h ʔ/ do not block this rule, other consonants do.
/aɨ ɨa/ are pronounced [a̝ːᶤ ɨ̠ːᵃ] <aɨ ɨa>, /jaɨ jɨa aɨj ɨaj/ [(j)ɛ̙ː (ɲ)ɛ̙̃ː æ̃ɘ̯̃(ɲ) æɘ̯(j)] <yaɨ e̱e̱ a̱ɨ̱ ɨay> and /waɨ wɨa aɨw ɨaw/ [(w)ɔ̘ː (w̃)ɔ̘̃ː ɒ̃ø̯̃(w̃) ɒø̯(w)] <waɨ o̱o̱ o̱e̱ ɨaw>
/an ɨn/ are pronounced [ɛ̃(n) ĩ(n)] <e̱ i̱> next to /j Cj jC/. /h ʔ/ do not block this rule, other consonants do.
/an ɨn/ are pronounced [ɔ̃(n) ũ(n)] <o̱ u̱> next to /w Cw wC/. /h ʔ/ do not block this rule, other consonants do.
Otherwise, /an ɨn/ are pronounced [ã(n) ɨ̃(n)] <a̱ ɨ̱>
Consonants in parentheses are pronounced only before/after a vowel.

Consonant allophony

/p b t d k/ and [s] are pronounced [b β d ð ɡ z] intervocalically. /pt bd/ is pronounced [ps bz] <ps bs> intervocalically.
/t/ is pronounced [s] <s> before [i]. This rule overrides the rule before.
/tj dj/ are pronounced [ʧ ʤ]. This rule overrides the rule before.

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 Post subject: Re: Opipik's scratchpad
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:50 am 
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V=aeiouö
W=aeiou
L=āēīōū
C=ptcqbdgmkwxnljrhs
F=ie
B=ou
S=ptc
Z=bdg
$=ptcqbdgmkwxnljrhs

kw/kʷ/_
y/j/_
/ /_[,.-:”]
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oi/jo/_
oj/jo/_
í/i/_
á/a/_
é/e/_
ó/o/_
ú/u/_
x/i/_C
x/i/_#
x/j/_
ei/ē/_
ai/ē/_
oi/jo/_
ui/ju/_
ii/ji/_
k/c/_F
/j/#_a
e/a/_CjV#
kʷ/k/_[cjntkr]
kʷ/p/_C
kʷ/p/_B
kʷ/k/_F
c/kj/_
j/l/#_
ū/u/_
i/j/C_V
i/j/V_C
i/ï/_
[īē]/i/_
ā/ja/_
lj/j/_
nj/j/_
Cj/\\/_
o/ö/_/_C$
a/ö/_wa
a/ö/öw_
m//_#
r//_$
t/r/_$
s/t/_$
Cr/\\/_$
rr/ř/_
w/b/#_
l/w/#_
r/l/_
ř/d/_
o/ö/öC_
u/ù/w_
o/u/w_
ö/o/w_
ü/ö/_
ö//WC_CW
l/j/_C
jw/uj/V_
jw/j/_
eu/ö/_
ej/i/_C
aj/i/_C
oj/i/_C
uj/i/_C
ij/i/_C
t/ť/[aeoö]_#
l/ť/_#
[au]//_#
[ktsp]/'/_#
ť/jt/_
aj/e/_C
ej/e/_C
öj/e/_C
ij/i/_C
oj/ö/_C
uj/ï/_C
nt/tt/_
o/ö/_t$
a/ä/_[tlbdg]$
Z/S/_#
[tl]//_$
'/ŋ/_
[bd]/g/_w
[pt]/k/_w
aw/\\/_
ww/uw/_
a//uw_#
w//u_#
n[ŋkg]/ŋ/_
k/x/V_e#
ï/ɨ/_
-//_
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V=aeiouʌɛɪɔʊɘ
W=ʌɛɪɔʊɘ
L=āēīōū
C=ptcqbdgmnlrhkžřxvyʢʔŋwjs
F=ie
B=ou
S=ptkq
Z=bdg
$=ptcqbdgmnlrhkžřxvʢyŋwʔjs
N=mnŋ

/ /_[.,?!]
g̶̊/x/_
b̶/v/_
dž/ǯ/_
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ŋd/n/_
md/n/_
N//ʔ_
ʔS/\\/_
Sʔ/S’/_
h/ʡ/_
S/ʡ/_C/_ř
ʔʡ/ʡ’/_
ʡ/ʢ/_/_’
ʡ’/q’/_
q/χᶺ/_
χᶺ’/q/_
ᶺi/e/_
ᶺu/o/_
ᶺa/ʌ/_
ᶺ/ʌ/_
χ//C_
ʌe/ʌj/_
ʌo/ʌw/_
χ/x/_
ř//_#
V//VC_#
V//VC_/_C$
ʢV/\\/_
Vʢ/W/_
ř//_$
x/k/_$
u/ʉ/_
[ʊɔ]/ɵ/_
[ɛa]/æ/_
[ʌo]/ɒ/_
ɘ/ɵ/_
ʔ/̱/_$
ʔ/x/_
yy/dy/_
y/ʑ/_
ž/ɕ/_
ǯ/ʥ/_
ř/ʐ/_
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 Post subject: Re: Opipik's scratchpad
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:52 pm 
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Travis B. wrote:
You should learn to make more of your sound changes conditional, and not just conditional based on being adjacent to C or V either. And to treat your sound changes as real sound changes, and not simple graphical substitution of symbols, e.g. by making sound changes apply at a featural level rather than a graphical one. (You might not want to write your sound changes as if they were meant for your favorite SCA either, especially if it is not a featural SCA.)

Can you explain more what you mean by this, as it would help for my own conlangs. I was under the assumption that all sound changes, in the end, boiled down to "X > Y" with the caveat that sometimes X becomes Y in certain areas/around certain other sounds, or perhaps X becomes Z in a different position.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:11 pm 
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I think what he is referring to are sound changes that result in a change in what feature of the language are distinctive/phonemic. For example, a change like

modally voiced vowels > creaky voiced vowels / ʔ_
ʔ > ∅

changes the basis on which words are distinguished, i.e. the contrasting feature, from the presence/absence of a particular phoneme to a property of certain sounds. It may also cause words which used to be distinct to merge, as in the hypothetical example *aʔi, *aḭ > aḭ. This means real, structural changes in the systems of the language. This is contrasted with a change like g > ɣ (assuming ɣ isn't already a phoneme). This is, in some way, just a "relabeling" of the linguistic system which already exists. It doesn't really change anything. If you're familiar with abstract math at all, what I'm talking about is basically whether an isomorphism exist between the two phonologies, assuming such a thing could be suitably defined.

(At this point I'm just rambling, so this is going down at the bottom away from all the helpful stuff, but maybe a bijection from the set of all words → the set of all words, that takes each phoneme to another phoneme, preserving word length?)


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V=aeiouə
L=āēīōūê
C=ptcqbdgmnlwxjkrhɕsšťɸ
F=ieīē
B=ouōū
S=ptc
Z=bdg
$=ptcqbdgmnlwxjkrhɕšťsɸ

ʷ/w/_
V:/L/_
oy/oi/_
y/j/_
/ /_[,.!?]
————
kw/k/_F
kw/p/_B
w/ɸ/#_C
é/e/_
á/a/_
ó/o/_
í/i/_
ú/u/_
kw/k/_i
e/ə/_
r/x/_#
Vr/\\/C_
wr/r/_
x/:/_/#_
x/k/_
:V/\\/_
əo/ō/_
au/ō/_
oo/ō/_
V:/L/_
://_
ê/ə̄/_
Ci/\\/_V
oi/e/_
ai/e/_
m/um/_#
o/u/g_
ō/ū/g_
g//V_B
g//V_a
əu/ō/_
ə̄u/ô/_
ou/ū/_
au/ō/_
ōu/û/_
āu/ô/_
ēu/ô/_
īu/û/_
eu/ō/_
iu/ū/_
Vō/ô/_
m//_$
ə//V_
ɸ/h/_
h[tlrs]/s/_
ə//C_C/CC_C(C)
s//_#
r/j/C_
ī/ie/_
ū/uo/_
û/uō/_
ô/oa/_
ə̄/iə/_
w/j/$_i
wa/uo/C_
st/s/_
t//C_#
ə//#_/_C#
-//_
wo/uo/C_
ə//_#
k/jk/_#/C_
kw/k/_#
kw/k/_
[hs]j/š/_
kj/ť/_
tj/ť/_
sC/\\/_
kC/\\/_
Cs/C²/_
Ck/C²/_
mk/mm/_
a/ɐ/_
o/ɔ/_
e/ɛ/_
L/V/_
š/ɕ/_
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C=ptcqbdgmnlwxjkrhs
F=ieē
B=ou
S=ptc
Z=bdg
$=ptcqbdgmnlwxjkrhs
l
V:/L/_
ʷ/w/_
/ /_[,.!:?]
————
aw/eu/_
ɸ/w/_
wC/\\/_
m//_#
á/ā/_
í/ī/_
é/ē/_
ó/ō/_
ú/ū/_
a/ä/_
o/a/_
ay/ai/_
ai/ä/_
au/ō/_
kw/p/_
a//VC_CV
a//VC_C
i/j/C_V
n/ⁿ/_$
Cⁿ/\\/V_
r/ʁ/_
Cʁ/\\/_$
ʁ/x/_
t//_#
ē/je/_#
Cj/\\/_V#
x//_$
s//_#
s//_C#
p/ʔ/_$
e/ē/#CC_#
e//_#/#C_
-//_
[tkdg]i/s/_#
ej/aî/_
ā/a/_#
wi/j/_#
i//_#
ej/aî/_
j/i/_$
w//C_F
lw/xw/_
a//_#
ui/i/V_$
e/ä/_[gdw]ä
g//_/#_
x/χ/_
g/x/_
d//F_F
w//ä_ä
ää/ǟ/_
ā/o/_
ai/ē/_
aî/ai/_
e/ɛ/_
ē/e/_
i/ɪ/_
ī/i/_
ū/o/_
a/ə/_
ä/a/_
ǟ/jə/_
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V=aeiouɛɔ
L=āēīōū
C=ptcqbdgmnkwjlʤʔrhs
F=ieɛ
B=ouɔ
S=ptc
Z=bdg

-//_
q/ʔ/_
j/ʤ/_
y/j/_

k/ʔ/_#
b/mb/_/#_
d/nd/_/#_
g/ŋg/_/#_
e/aj/_#
o/aw/_#
R/t/#_
R//_
l/j/_[ei]
l/w/_[ou]
l/s/_
r/l/_/d_
dr/r/_
y//F_F
w//B_B
m/ŋ/_#
a//_#/V_
--
um/\\/V_a
mu/mw/_V
ou/uu/_
s/h/#_
t/s/_uu
nn/n/_
ti/c/_V
t/c/_i
j//a_i
w//a_u
ea/ɛ/_
oa/ɔ/_
ai/ɛ/_
au/ɔ/_
ʔ//a_a
ʔ//i_i
ʔ//u_u
ʔ//e_e
ʔ//o_o
u/w/_V/_u
lw/w/_
a/â/‘aC_‘#
a//aC_/_C#
‘//_
â/a/_
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aw/ɔ/_/_#
r/d/#_
w/b/#_
t/ɾ/V_u
u//_#/u_
ʔ//_#
m/nw/_F
mw/m/_F
[mn]w/ŋw/_
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nr/r/_
r/ð/_
ɾ/r/_
/ʔ/#_V
t/ʔ/_#
r/t/_#

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V=aeiouɨə
L=āēīōū
C=ptkqbdgmnlrhswʔj
F=ie
B=ou
S=ptc
Z=bdg

-//_
q/ʔ/_

k/ʔ/_#
b/mb/_/#_
d/nd/_/#_
g/ŋg/_/#_
e/aj/_#
o/aw/_#
R/t/#_
R//_
l/j/_[ei]
l/w/_[ou]
l/s/_
r/l/_/d_
dr/r/_
y//F_F
w//B_B
m/ŋ/_#
a//_#/V_
--
ao/oo/_
ae/ee/_
ou/uu/_
s/z/#_
p/k/_ap
p/f/_
f/h/_[iea]
l/z/_
n[rz]/nn/_
nn/tn/_
mm/pm/_
ee/æ/_
[sh]/ɕ/_i
[ai]”/é/_
a[ji]/æ/_
a/æ/_…[éæ]
a/æ/[éæ]…_
e/ə/_
əa/ɨa/_
é/e/_
æ/e/_
eu/ew/_
ʔ//[əa]_#
ə/a/aʔ_
i/ɨ/_/j_
ɨ/i/_j
j//_i
Cʔ/\\/_
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/m n ŋ/
/s/
/r ɺ/
/l j/

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/p t ʧ c k ʔ/
/m n ɲ ŋ/
/ɸ s ʃ/
/r ʟ/

/i ɯ u ɛ ʌ ɔ ɑ/ + vowel length

for ease of typing /ɛ ɔ ɑ ɸ ʟ/ are written <e o a f gl>, long vowels are written doubled

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/p t k m n ŋ r s β j/ <p t k m n ng r s v i>
/i u ɛ a/ <i u e a>
/iː uː ɛː aː ɔː/ <i-i u-u e-e a-a~aa o>
/j/ can't occur in the environment of /i iː/
the long vowels occur only across morpheme breaks (except /aː/ and /ɔː/)
syllable structure is (C)V(i,u)(C') where C' = p t k m n s r, no geminates so geminate consonants degeminate across morpheme boundaries
some words: <akut> "man (person)"
<munai> "water"
okay this is a Tolai rip-off, let's make some grammar
- there's a definite article marked by prefixing <k-> to a word beginning with a vowel and <ka> to a word beginning with a consonant
(still a tolai rip-off)
- basically the only noun affixes are the possession ones
- <n-/na-> 1.POSS, <v-/va-> 2.POSS, <ng-/nga>
- <i> before a noun marks plural
-- in case the noun is possessed, the possessive prefix attachs to the plural marker
like this: <nai munai> "our waters"

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