Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:42 pm
Round 3! Success.
WE ARE MOVING - see Ephemera
http://www.incatena.org/
In fact, you'll need only Python (Geoff's SCA is actually a Python script). If you're on Linux, you probably already have it, and it should not be difficult to install and use it on Windows. Don't know about Mac, though.Qwynegold wrote:I'd rather not use Geoff's SCA because then I'd have to install some other crap, and I've had bad experiences with that.
They are ideologically similar, but the rules must be converted manually (I don't think a tool for this will ever appear).Qwynegold also wrote:Is Geoff's SCA similar to the one I linked to? Because in that case it would be easy to convert between the two programs if you want to use Geoff's.
Mac OS X 10.4 and later have Python pre-installed. I don't know about earlier versions.Basilius wrote:In fact, you'll need only Python (Geoff's SCA is actually a Python script). If you're on Linux, you probably already have it, and it should not be difficult to install and use it on Windows. Don't know about Mac, though.
For instance:Basilius wrote:[Geoff's SCA's] main shortcoming is IMO lack of a convenient way to introduce exceptions, but one can get round this.
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0 ; #<+ptk>_V
<+ptk> <+fsx> _V
; 0 _
PCW is light blue on maps 2/3 (later maps would show descendants of it); Gezoro is light purple, specifically the striped areas on map 4 (the rest of that colour on the same map shows close sister languages). None of the other branches have been named or defined yet, and in any case the maps may be modified somewhat in order to reflect the linguistic divisions which will be created in this relay.eodrakken wrote:I'm trying to get a sense of the Proto-Western region and history. For the maps on the wiki, which color represents Proto-Coastal-Western? And are there names or any information for the other branches?
Exactly. There's mostly open steppe in that region. Also, the peoples of the light purple branch probably acquired horse domestication and nomadic lifestyle from the dark purple branch before invading the areas in the southeast.eodrakken wrote:The dark purple region is a huge expansion. Does it represent a group that domesticated the horse and went nomadic? I couldn't find a geographical map of the region to say whether that's an open plain/steppe or not.
I haven't really touched it for a year (though, huh, apparently at some point I wrote up the sound changes and never linked it in). Hopefully all this will get me back into the Akana mindset and I'll pick it up again, or at least finally render the Sinakan text in it...Zhen Lin wrote:On a different note, how is AhH coming? I liked it.
That's exactly what I was referring to. I have Windows Vista. Please don't make me install it!Basilius wrote:OK, it seems that I've delved into the PNT stuff too deeply, so I guess I'll continue working on PNT daughters anyway. And I think I'll try to keep the pace with the relay just as a self-discipline exercise - people interested in that branch, please check the Akana Forum for updates
In fact, you'll need only Python (Geoff's SCA is actually a Python script). If you're on Linux, you probably already have it, and it should not be difficult to install and use it on Windows. Don't know about Mac, though.Qwynegold wrote:I'd rather not use Geoff's SCA because then I'd have to install some other crap, and I've had bad experiences with that.
To answer some questions about phonology - yes, it is true that final consonant clusters do not occur (or at least, are exceedingly rare). Essentially, original final voiceless consonants were lost before */I U/ disappeared, and the original voiced consonants gained a /U/, thereby preventing cluster formation as well. You may find this useful.4pq1injbok wrote:I haven't really touched it for a year (though, huh, apparently at some point I wrote up the sound changes and never linked it in). Hopefully all this will get me back into the Akana mindset and I'll pick it up again, or at least finally render the Sinakan text in it...Zhen Lin wrote:On a different note, how is AhH coming? I liked it.
Phew.Basilius wrote: Qwynegold >
OK, no problem, as I already said
Oh shit, I've already started working on the sound changes (just a little). I'll post it too on the Akana forum...Basilius wrote:I have some ideas about the early changes that would provide relatively compact inflections. In particular, it seems that intervocalic nasals (especially [m], maybe only in posttonic syllables) must drop with subsequent vowel contractions. I am going to post on that on the Akana forum, maybe later today.
Sure, you can definitely go later. Anyone up for starting from Proto-Peninsular right now?roninbodhisattva wrote:If it wouldn't be a problem, I think I might have to get moved to a later round, as I have a lot on my plate University wise.
That's ... scary, somewhat.thedukeofnuke wrote:Here's one that might work.
There's a longer version...?Alternatively, why not a longer version of the Fisherman and the Fish? There's nothing to say you can't include more of the story.
Well, it's not quite the same story, but I did find this. It could probably work if it was shortened a bit and adapted more to PPI culture, though. (If there a page on PPI culture, by the way? I don't think I saw one on the Akana wiki, though I might have missed it.)Zhen Lin wrote:There's a longer version...?
That's an amusing story. A shortened version could work.faiuwle wrote:Well, it's not quite the same story, but I did find this. It could probably work if it was shortened a bit and adapted more to PPI culture, though.Zhen Lin wrote:There's a longer version...?
There is not. There were some brief discussions about it, but nothing concrete has been set down.(If there a page on PPI culture, by the way? I don't think I saw one on the Akana wiki, though I might have missed it.)
That one. Of course you're free to look for a second, different sample text, but for the purposes of the relay we're using The horse and the sheep.Drydic Guy wrote:Was there a specific sample text to be used for PWestern? Or were we working off Dew's modified Schleicher text?