Conlang Diachronics Relay II (now with schedule!)
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The Cursed Relay takes place on the same timeline as, but somewhat later than, the current Diachronics Relay II (this thread). They're set on opposite sides of the same continent and are part of the same large-scale project.
The Lukpanic languages' lasting influence is as a substratum under the later Coastal Western languages; they're completely supplanted by the latter around -200 YP. Alces and myself have derived Lukpanic dialects for our respective Coastal languages.
The Lukpanic languages' lasting influence is as a substratum under the later Coastal Western languages; they're completely supplanted by the latter around -200 YP. Alces and myself have derived Lukpanic dialects for our respective Coastal languages.
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Apologising in advance for the double post...
Alces' new Coastal language has got me making some progress on my own. I've now run up against a few issues with the background to this language:
- Are any of the Steppe languages close enough geographically to provide loanwords? If so, which?
- What about the Lake languages? For that matter, where is the Lake?
- Are the locations of the Lukpanic cities fixed yet? If not, I've got a map that should work: here.
Alces' new Coastal language has got me making some progress on my own. I've now run up against a few issues with the background to this language:
- Are any of the Steppe languages close enough geographically to provide loanwords? If so, which?
- What about the Lake languages? For that matter, where is the Lake?
- Are the locations of the Lukpanic cities fixed yet? If not, I've got a map that should work: here.
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Me too: I'd like to claim the Lukpanic dialect of Kpitamoa and its Coastal Western successor.thedukeofnuke wrote:Alces' new Coastal language has got me making some progress on my own.
Of the steppe langs, we don't have any lexicon for Satnímʔa unfortunately (a shame, the lang looks very promising), and only a few words for Hāňheliubľ. Either of these might be nearby, though maybe not both of them.thedukeofnuke wrote:- Are any of the Steppe languages close enough geographically to provide loanwords? If so, which?
- What about the Lake languages?
Of the Lake languages, I think Šetâmol should be a good source for loans at least into eastern Coastal languages, and since the speakers of Hošər might have moved into the steppe (and from there possibly towards the coast), that would be a candidate as well. Óhylvídós and Shtåså are spoken in different regions. Also, I think it's likely that some words would have been borrowed from Çetázó at the PCW stage.
Seems good to me. I've added a possible location for the lake (same link; new version of your map).thedukeofnuke wrote:For that matter, where is the Lake?
- Are the locations of the Lukpanic cities fixed yet? If not, I've got a map that should work: here.
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One of these days, I should put the Iŋomœ´ > Hāňheliubľ sound changes into a format that can be used by a SCA. The only problem is that there's a lot of fuckery with the stress accent, and SCAs don't do that sort of thing well. And I don't know if I still have the changes.
I also need to redo the syntax, because it's fucking horrible.
Also, if anyone needs loanwords, Hāňheliubľ was heavily influenced by some sort of substrate, so if anyone feels like doing that... Alternatively, I could get rid of the substrate, but then I don't have an excuse to massively simplify the syntax, and I'm fucking horrible at syntax.
I also need to redo the syntax, because it's fucking horrible.
Also, if anyone needs loanwords, Hāňheliubľ was heavily influenced by some sort of substrate, so if anyone feels like doing that... Alternatively, I could get rid of the substrate, but then I don't have an excuse to massively simplify the syntax, and I'm fucking horrible at syntax.
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Yeah, I've been wondering- my Lukpanic language is intended to be a divergent daughterlang rather than a dialect, so if the speakers moved to a farther off island, could they maybe avoid the takeover by Western tribes?boy #12 wrote:Great job everyone, I've been loving the recent explosion of work on Lukpanic and Coastal Western. I'm curious about whether Lukpanic languages might survive longer in marginal areas, like in the West, or on the Isle of Poalugbum...
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Dunno if they'd avoid it forever... there's a certain tendency in conlanging to want to make every single language family last forever. Though maybe Lukpanic might remain for a while on those islands to the west.Mbwa wrote:Yeah, I've been wondering- my Lukpanic language is intended to be a divergent daughterlang rather than a dialect, so if the speakers moved to a farther off island, could they maybe avoid the takeover by Western tribes?boy #12 wrote:Great job everyone, I've been loving the recent explosion of work on Lukpanic and Coastal Western. I'm curious about whether Lukpanic languages might survive longer in marginal areas, like in the West, or on the Isle of Poalugbum...
Poalugbum should be the last of the cities to go Western. That would have some interesting effects on the dialect...
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If you're referring to the table on the Proto-Lukpanic page, those samples are just ideas. You can derive a dialect to look like one of those (as Alces and I have both done) or just go your own way and replace the changes given.
EDIT: In case it's not clear, nobody has actually made a Doanu dialect. So go ahead!
EDIT: In case it's not clear, nobody has actually made a Doanu dialect. So go ahead!
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Oh, I see. Well how about Poalugbum? No one's done anything for that yet. Or, the area to the west of Doanu.Mbwa wrote:Doanu has already got it's own dialect on the wiki. Was I supposed to start from one of those rather than Proto-Lukpanic?
Yeah, this is true. Though it would be nice if the changes for each city don't look completely random, but suggest regional isoglosses - for example, Kpitamoa's dialect looks fairly similar to the nearby Siŋmeasita, but doesn't look much like Doanu. But yeah, what I've put down for the dialects is really just a suggestion. I'm sure what you've got will work fine for Doanu.thedukeofnuke wrote:If you're referring to the table on the Proto-Lukpanic page, those samples are just ideas. You can derive a dialect to look like one of those (as Alces and I have both done) or just go your own way and replace the changes given.
Eh, I just wanted to say that I am just finishing completely new sound changes for Hošər because I had problems with implementing the old on my SCA (which was actually the reason why I hadn't been working on the language for so long, I finally lost interest in applaying all those changes by hand, I apologize). And I don't like the old changes anyway, full of /S/ and more or less logical errors.
However, I don't have a final name yet for the new language, but it'll be much more conservative in terms of phonology, which should be quite more realistic for a language spoken in lone mountain valleys and among those hills in that region.
However, I don't have a final name yet for the new language, but it'll be much more conservative in terms of phonology, which should be quite more realistic for a language spoken in lone mountain valleys and among those hills in that region.
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Nope, doesn't have to be. Make it divergent if you want. What do you have in mind?Mbwa wrote:Alright. I've got another question, though. As I said before, this language is more divergent than just a dialect, or at least I was planning on making it like that. Is it supposed to be an intelligible dialect?
Well I've added pitch accent, a minor vowel shift, and a few little sound changes. I'll probably add a few more. I might try and add a few little grammatical quirks. I know it won't be too divergent, though. About how long until Proto-Lukpanic speakers get overtaken, so I have a rough idea of how divergent it could get?boy #12 wrote:Nope, doesn't have to be. Make it divergent if you want. What do you have in mind?Mbwa wrote:Alright. I've got another question, though. As I said before, this language is more divergent than just a dialect, or at least I was planning on making it like that. Is it supposed to be an intelligible dialect?
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The proto-lang is spoken around -1500 YP; the Lukpanic languages are expected to become extinct sometime around -200 YP, although I imagine a century or so either way will be ok.
Remember that your dialect should probably share some features with the Isi dialect, which is geographically the closest to Doanu.
Remember that your dialect should probably share some features with the Isi dialect, which is geographically the closest to Doanu.
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Okay.thedukeofnuke wrote:The proto-lang is spoken around -1500 YP; the Lukpanic languages are expected to become extinct sometime around -200 YP, although I imagine a century or so either way will be ok.
Thanks for pointiong this out.Remember that your dialect should probably share some features with the Isi dialect, which is geographically the closest to Doanu.
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I have one (not online, but I can email it on request, but not before Sunday evening - I am away from home and the Net this weekend).Arzena wrote:Dewrad's website appears to be down, anyone got a copy of Proto-Western lying around?
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PW appears to be up again.WeepingElf wrote:I have one (not online, but I can email it on request, but not before Sunday evening - I am away from home and the Net this weekend).Arzena wrote:Dewrad's website appears to be down, anyone got a copy of Proto-Western lying around?
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