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here's Rebe

short vowels
ĕ /ə/
e /ɛ/, /aː/*
i /i/, /eː/*
o /o/

long vowels
a /aː/
ē /ɛː/
y /yː/, /øː/*
ō /oː/

* pronunciation before <r>

diphthongs
aj /aːj/
ĕj /əj/
ej /ɛːj/
yj /øːj/
oj /ɔj/

consonants
bilabials
p /pʰ/, /p/
b /b̥/
m /m/
w /w/

dentals/coronals
t /tʰ/, /t/
d /d̥/
n /n/
s /s/
þ* /θ/, /h/

palatals
c, tj /cʰ/, /c/
d̦, dj /ɟ̊/
n̦ /ɲ/

palato-velars
k̦, kj /ʧʰ/, /ʧ/
g̒, gj /ʤ̥/

velars
k /kʰ/, /k/
g /g̊/
ŋ /ŋ/

trill
r /r/, ∅ before consonants

glottal
h /h/

clusters
sk /skʰ/, /sk/
st /stʰ/, /st/
sp /spʰ/, /sp/

θg* /θg̊/, /g̊/
θb* /θb̥/, /b̥/
θd* /θd̥/, /d̥/

* Western dialect only. Eastern pronunciation shown next to western

The "voiceless voiced" stops are actually lenis, pronounced with the tongue slightly retracted from the point of articulation (or in the case of <b>, the lips only loosely shut), and voicelessly, as in Memeyk.
The actual voiceless stops are aspirated at the beginning of a word, and unaspirated elsewhere.

Consonants can undergo palatalization, represented with a comma below or the letter <j>. For example, <p̒> [pʲ], <dj> [dʲ]. They can also, with the exception of <k>, <g>, and already palatalized consonants, undergo glottalization, represented with a dot or a following <gh>. For example, <ṇ> [nˠ], <rgh> [rˠ]

As most Rebe roots begin an end with a consonant, otherwise impossible to pronounce consonant clusters are assimilated and reduced

stop + nasal = mutated nasal (pn > m)
stop 1 + stop 2 = stop 2 + stop 2 (tp > pp)
fric 1 + fric 2 = fric 2 + fric 2 (sf > ff)
open cluster + stop = s + stop (ksp > sp)

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Rebe grammar

Nouns

Nouns are pluralized with the prefix mu-, replacing this usage of reduplication. Rebe has the nominative, accusative and dative cases, as well as four locative cases. But from region to region, not all locative cases are used, and some take on other meanings as well.

nominative Ø ĕsp I
accusative prem- premysk the tribe
prem-
dative mĕst- mĕspjıstem to a friend
genitive ō- ōkōn of a dog
inessive mĕs- mĕsjēm in the heart
adessive bĕ- bĕṭor on the road
locative ĕŋ- ĕŋwēn at the house
elative mē- mērē out of the river
partitive mĕ-

Nouns pluralize with the prefix mo-

pīn "stone", mopīn
owes "sheep", mōwes
ĕkōs "horse", mōkōs

Pronouns

Rebe has three pronouns. They do not show gender or number. They inflect like regular nouns.

I/we abem, ĕbrem, (ĕsp)
you jĕbem, (ja)
he/she/ ja
it/they

* pronouns given in parentheses are to be used in dependent clauses

Ostmjē abem mĕstja prempobĕ
finish-give I DAT-he/she ACC-shovel
[os.nʲɛː aː.bɛm məstʲ.aː pʰrɛm.po.bə]

I gave him/her a shovel

Generally, pronouns are only used where necessary so that the word order makes sense. Earlier, in Memeyk, this meant using pronouns as placeholders for things that could be omitted so that another word could take its place at the end of the sentence. Here the same principle applies, but case marking has almost eliminated the problem. Only the subject, which is unmarked, requires a pronoun once it has already been mentioned. If there are no further arguments to the verb, then the subject, too, can be dropped.

Verbs

All verbs take an aspect prefix, which themselves may be preceded with a verbal conjunction.

perfective ost-
imperfective esk-
potential sĕsp-
habitual het-

Verbs can also take a tense suffix showing action either in the immediate past (-ē) or immediately after a given event (-sī)

Ostspajmē abem
finish-see-IMM.PAST I
[os.spʰaːjm.ɛː aː.bɛm]

I just saw

Hetprĕt ja ĕŋrē
stay-walk he LOC-river
[hɛn.pʰrət jaː əŋ.rɛː]

He/she often walks along the river

Verbs can be modified by adverbs or adverbial phrases (such as ōsp mēspajm "with my eye"). They come immediately before the verb of an independent clause, or immediately before the verb of a dependent clause.

Clauses

Sentences in Rebe revolve around the clause. Each phrase is made of a main clause, which is modified by other words, including whole dependent clauses. The word order of a main clause is VOS:

Eskspajm premspōjŋ ıbem
IMPERF-see ACC-bird I
I see a bird

Dependent clauses follow the reverse order, SOV, so that the verb can stand adjacent to the head of the clause.

Eskċempajm ōsp montar mēspajm [premmon ostspjakmē | premspōjŋ] ıbem
IMPERF-spy my little ELA-eye [ACC-insect PERF-catch-IMM.PAST | ACC-bird] I
I spy with my little eye a bird that just caught a bug.

Additionally, dependent clauses use different pronouns than independent clauses. Independent clauses distinguish first, second, and third person, but dependent clauses only maintain a first vs. not-first person distinction. The word for I is ĕsp, and the word for you, he, she, and it is ja.

(maybe ĕsp -> ĕs (through sandhi) -> s- & ja -> e- prefix to object, or verb if no object given?)

Clipped phrases

Rebe retains a Memeyk construct known as clipped phrases, meaning a new word constructed from a handful of roots with no grammatical particles, only word order is considered. For example:

pṛosspemē

In this case, the final -t in pṛot "woman" has assimilated (t > s) into the sp- in spemē "just saw," which itself has forgone the "ost-" prefix. According to Rebe stress rules, since the first syllable is "heavy" (containing a geminated <s> due to euphonic processes), it takes the main stress, and the pronunciation is thus:

[ʻpʰrˠosː.pɛmˌɛː]

Phonetic rules

The vocabulary of Rebe is built primarily out of monosyllabic Memeyk roots, although there are many compound words derived from these roots. Many basic roots are built around this basic following structure:

{P C S A1} {r(ĕ)*} {A1} {V} {A2} {r*} {P C S A2}

V = vowel, P = plosive, C = cluster (ps, ts, ks), A = approximant (w, y).
<r> can only appear in one slot, not both.
Only one of each of A1 or A2 can exist, but an A1 and an A2 can both coexist.

* <ĕ> may appear after <r> in the second slot if an approximant appears in the next slot. This is a phonological development in Rebe. <r> will never occur in the sixth slot if there is a consonant in the next slot. It has been elided to <j>.

Vowels fall into three subdivisions. There are seven long vowels, three short vowels, and two allophonic reduced vowels.

Long (weight 1/2) <ā> [aˑ], <ē> [ɛˑ], <ı> [ɨˑ], <ī> [iˑ], <ō> [oˑ], <ø> [øˑ], <y> [yˑ]
Diphthongs (weight 1/2) <aj> [aj], <ej> [ɛj], <ēj> [ɛˑj], <oj> [oj]
Clusters (weight 1/2) <ps0 ts ks>
Consonants (weight 1/3) <k p t g b d s ch z gh r w j>
Short (weight 1/3) <a> [a], <e> [ɛ], <o> [o]
Reduced (weight 1/4) <ĕ> [ə~ɨ]

Furthermore, syllables carry weight. A "full" syllable has initial and final consonants and a short vowel and a weight of one. A "light" syllable has a weight of less than one, and a "heavy" syllable has a weight of more than one. When forming compound words, any components with long vowels and diphthongs often have them reduced: If a root being combined contains a short vowel, but has heavy consonantal component(s), then its vowel will be further reduced to <ĕ>.

ModR sĕspwen "neighbor" < MR sĕsp "near" + wēn "to live"
<ē> has been reduced to <e>.

ModR sjejstpĕn < MR sjējst "now" + pĕn "day"
same

ModR sanxĕjst "to shape metal" < MR sard "hot " + xarst "to bend"
<a> has been reduced to <ĕ>. <r> has also been dropped from "sard" because the other component also had <r>.

Vowel reduction guide
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a ĕ
e ĕ
o ĕ*
ā a
ē e
ı e
ī e
ō o
y e
āj ē
aj e
oj o

* pronunciation is actually [ɵ]. May be represented as <ŏ> for clarity.

The long vowel <y> will generally force the other component to reduce to retain clarity, though this is not always a hard and fast rule.

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 Post subject: Re: the Memeyk family
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:34 am 
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and finally, Griets:

Griets is an agglutinative language descended from Memeyk. Its word order is usually VSO.

Nouns

Nouns in Griets have no gender, though they can be given number, and, with the exception of the nominative, must take a prefix for case.

nom. - -
acc. freb- pafrũ-
dat. bãþ- babãþ-
iness. pas- paps-
adess. pa- papa-
loc. ag- agag-
ela. bja- babja-

plurality is shown by reduplication of the case prefix, or in the nominative by reduplication of the noun itself.

paspjan "in the house"
papaspjan "in the houses"

þwēr "field"
þaþwēr "fields"

Verbs

Verbs in a Griets sentence must always come first and is composed of two to four parts. First is the optional conjunction, followed by the main verb, aspect marker, and tense marker.

Conjunctions
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frīm then
þırp but
mjasag also

Aspects
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Progressive -xja
Habitual -ha
Potential -ud

Tenses
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Past -rþ
Non-past -ēx

mjasag hwērþ "burned, as well"
þwērcax "throws, is throwing, was throwing"
frīm þwērudēx "can throw then"

Adjectives

Adjectives are actually the same as verbs and are treated as such. Something that is red can said to bãcjax. Something that was once red but is no more is bãdurþ. These are actions carried out, namely the action of being red and of having once been red.

Adjectives can be made comparative by adding the adverb sjam "more", with the compared object taking the preposition ham- "over"

hamcē sjam bãcjax "redder than that"

Adjectives can be made superlative by adding the phrase hambũgh "above all"

hambũgh bãcjax "reddest of all"

Adverbs

Adverbs in Griets come directly after (in independent clauses) or before (in dependent clauses) the verb they modify. Adjectives and verbal phrases can also be used as adverbs.

þwērudēx trjuk cē
throw-can-pres far he
he can throw far

þwērbhaēx þub cē
run-hab-pres quick he
he runs quickly

Pronouns

Griets preserves Memeyk's simple two-way pronoun/deictic system, adding only a pronoun for "you"

I/we af
you cawım
he/she cē
it/they

Phrases

Word order is VSO within phrases. Dependent phrases can follow the noun they modify, taking VSO word order, or precede their noun, taking OSV word order.



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 Post subject: Re: the Memeyk family
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Thanks. Can we get vocab?

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sure, i've got 500+ words for Rebe and Puthe and almost 400 for Griets, so i'll give you a sampling. here's one to ten in Puthe, Rebe, and Griets:

ha, pɯm, fjét, nàm, śœ́p, pet, jèt, mon, stok, pum
har, pəm, dēt, najm, ĝ̣œ̄sp, pret, mjējt, mōn, sṭēk, pym
hērğ, fam, zdjat, dǝ̨rm, kjēf, frǝt, mjērt, bų̄d, θwjak, fjub

in Rebe, an underdot is velarization
<ĝ> is /ʤ/
<rğ> is /ʁ/

a few kinship terms:

father, mother, son, daughter, brother, sister
ɯ̨́n*, maf, mef, háf, koj, scej
grəjmad*, mādo, mēdo, hajdo, kṛœ̄do, stjēdo
pazdu, bązdu, pezdu, hjazdu, xṛēzu, θjēzu

* these words are a Rebe innovation, as the words for father and mother merged

and some two-syllable words:

friend, river spirit, offering, servant, Great River, shore
fɯ́m, ɯ̣́c, feɯm, pohŋ, fɯ̨k, jawé, sɯ̀k
pjɨ̄stem, rɨ̄jēt, hējbem, p̣œ̄seŋ, hĕmĕk, jabrē, cĕskar
fjēθĕb, rjazjēt, zjarbab, fwēsɨg, zavąk, cēbreç, θjaxar

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What does the underdot in Puthe < ̣sku> 'after' represent?

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low tone. it appears under the <s> in my browser, but it should be under the <u>

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Any chance you could put those cognate sets in IPA? I'm also having trouble figuring out what those diacritics mean. I'm guessing the macrons are long vowels? What do the acute and grave accents mean?

I'd also like to see some more cognate sets.

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you are correct about the macrons. the acute accent is rising tone (high to mid), grave is falling (mid to high). as for the additional cognate sets, i shall provide if i have time after work tomorrow

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ok, here's some more cognates for yinz:

sleep, gather, wander, laugh, wash, freeze, grind
Griets: fɨrzd, xʀʲat, θotwarb, çɛːs, kʀɨθ, zuç, θud
Rebe: pajd, krɛːt, totˠajm, xʲɨːs, grɛst, hosk, ston
Puthe: paː˥˧t, kɛ˧˥t, tɒ˧˩p, xis, ɛ˧˥t, fɒ˧˥k, stɒn

man, woman, fabric, herd, tribe, leather, farmer
kʀʲɛːθ, frwɛːt, mʲɛːɣɛt, bʲũç, xʀʲatɛf, harstu, srugʀaθ
grəjɨːst, prˠøːt, mʲagɛt, myːsk, krɛːtɛsp, hajsto, srogrɨst
ɯː˧˥t, pɒt, mɛɯ̯c, mu˧˥k, kɛ˩˧p, ha˥˧t, sɒɯ̯˧˥t

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Thanks.

One more thing: Can you put up something about Griets phonology? Preferably describing the orthography too?

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What happened to Puthe?

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nothing, i just wanted to show only the branches than descended straight from Memeyk for comparison purposes.

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that's pretty close. just a few vowels and consonants off. but i won't tell which ones ;)

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