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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:56 pm 
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Personally, I think the interesting route would be to accept that they live on giant trees and work out the consequences. They can still advance technologically, just not in the same directions.

It could have fascinating effects on culture, too. No doubt they'd discover fire early on, which for people who live in trees could well mean that you've got a neolithic society with the equivalent of nuclear weapons. Those that survive would presumably develop in quite different directions!

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What kind of land, if any, do the trees grow on? And why don't the people just live on that land instead of the trees?

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Considering the scale I envision for the thales, they can become up to 300 metres tall (think the shorter skyscrapers of downtown Manhattan, Woolworth and the like), I would think the leaves were somewhat larger than on regular trees; perhaps around a foot or two in length. They also do collect water and they are slightly bowl-shaped, for that purpose; the water is then absorbed by little absorbent threads at the base of the leaves. I would assume they were pollinators, but I don't know what mechanism would be the best. Clearly, falling fruit from 200 metres above you could cause serious harm.

The thales have big roots and thus can't grow on rocks. The fruit or nuts or whatever, I don't know what kind they are yet, probably just sprout down there once they hit the bottom. Hm.

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The thales mostly either resemble . Their trunks are "curled" together out of many smaller stems. The thales tend to support each other and they curl around each other creating huge symbiotic forests. If one falls, others might fall also. However, the likelyhood of one falling is lower, because it is supported by its neighors. Think emperor penguin huddles.

The idea of the magical salt is nice. I'll see what I can do with that.

The Lentucs are clearly different from the Aluns. What exactly they are is something I haven't set in stone. Either they're really smart elephant-like animals or other kinds of primates/lemurthings.

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What kind of agriculture should I expect in the thales? Any thoughts?

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The only agriculture I can see in the thales is , unless large portions of arable land really exist at the feet of the thales, but I don't know how would work that above a coralline structure. If the coralline structures are enough wide, thus thales forests are possible and these forests will have associated plants that could also be eatable.

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Perhaps silviculture would be really important? Are there varieties of thales which produce fruit or nuts or something?


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Well, the branches do support small ecosystems, they are big enough to build small towns so the top side of them is mostly covered in all kinds of vegetation that lives in some sort of symbiosis with the thales themselves. I wonder how this can ever support a large economy...

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Well, it's clear that the Aluns need a well developed , since it's the best way to combine trees and shrubs with crops and cattle. If there are other small plants and animals living on the thales I see three possible developments for that:

1. Aluns and the other species live without interaction.
2. Aluns' superiority makes them the dominant species of the thales, which develops into ecological pressure and forces the extinction of the other animals and small plants.
3. The other animals and small plants avoid extinction because they're domesticated (partially maybe, ) by the Aluns.


On the other hand, if thales grow above large coral reefs I don't think it's possible a unless there's a way to create and manage large plantations on them. The nearby continents and islands, with enough fertile land, will be better places for that.

If Aluns have a large economy this is not based only on the agroforestal resources, they need something more. If agriculture plays an important role, then they will need plantations, but if you base Aluns' culture on ancient civilizations then they will only have subsistence farming and some trade. About the secondary sector... they need to transform raw or intermediate materials into goods, so they need some kind of transforming/producing system. Thales ecosystems could provide some of the raw materials they need, and the system, I imagine, would be that of the , so no factories (?). Also, the Aluns could be an intermediate culture in a large trading route, so they would receive and trade with some exotic raw materials that could give them some advantage among the other neighboring societies.

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