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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:32 pm 
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On a related note, I've been giving some thought to what the Terps and neighboring cultures would wear. I was thinking three layers of clothing, underwear like a loincloth, a tunic worn indoors, and some sort of robe or poncho worn over that outdoors. I dunno if that would necessarily work in a subtropical or even the tropical climate that some parts of FAC would have. But people have certainly worn that much even in hot climates and one can hardly forget the jet-black heavy robes worn by women in some incredibly hot climates.

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You could certainly have regional variations in Terpish clothing. It would actually probably be unreasonable to not have some regional variation in a large-ish area, which it would have to be for there to be significant enough temperature variations to make different types of clothing necessary.

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For the last 100 years in the Netegeniu, the territory formerly controlled by the Selian Empire, rural people have been opting for familial longhouses meant for sleeping, as opposed to the traditional round abodes, mainly because they're more easy to defend against raiders and bandits, but also because population densities have become higher. As for privacy, it depends. Excretion is a strictly private business, but bathing is often a social thing, like in rome, japan or turkey. people spend most of their time outside, and sleeping surrounded by people is considered preferable to sleeping alone; its certainly safer both against bandits and in terms of disease; if you choke in your sleep or something there's always gonna be someone to help. In fact the whole sleeping alone thing would seem lonely to most Ieseleu women [men are used to sleeping alone when they travel]. Modesty-wise, its okay to show midriff, shoulders and back. female breats are supposed to be covered, but if they're not its no big deal. Feet, on the other hand, shouldn't be seen, as they're considered shameful. Loads of foot fetish fuel.

their southern neighbours, the horse shepperding Yi nomads, on the other hand, sleep alone in their tents, and have their wifes sleep together in wifetents. For both cultures, sleeping and fucking are two distinct activities. Also you're supposed to be alone indoors, inside your yurt, and since its so cold where they live there's no rule against nudity other than don't be an idiot you want your dick to freeze?

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If you say so, then I guess this just proves me wrong. I was actually thinking of giving some of my conpeople as many as three layers of heavy clothing based on the example of Middle Eastern dress. The example of the burqa led me to imagine that people would accept some incredibly heavy and constraining clothing even in searing heat if they had enough social pressure on them.

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They only look bulky because they're actually very loose and therefore let the air flow better and cool the wearer down. They also keep the sunlight off, and help avert the eye of prying men, so women there are happy to wear them, no matter how much you think they're merely a symbol of their oppression by men. (Not, ofc, that women are exactly well-off there, but it's not as bad as you think)


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The Glaagh concept of modesty requires that both men and women are covered from the neck to the wrists and ankles when outside of dwellings or special areas, such as areas for personal hygiene (bath-houses, for example). This is normally achieved with a long, flowing, loose robe, normally made out of linen or cotton. Notably, the Glaagh Empire does not suffer from horrendously cold temperatures thanks to the magic field generating warmer temperatures than would be suitable for the area, so this dress is suitable year-round.
Children are exempt, per se, but requiring children to wear the dress early helps ingrain the habit. Practically speaking, woven sandals made of straw are used as footwear, but they aren't required.

Oh, yeah, and violation of the laws of modesty is punishable with a candescence of retribution.

The standard Glaagh dwelling is a circular hut constructed of mud, sticks, or straw (normally the latter two) in which several families may reside, normally closely related to each other. The hut is a single room, with hammocks set up for adults and the children sleeping on a single sheet on the ground. A pit in the center serves as a place for setting up the fires for cooking.

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Since this topic has unexpectedly returned from beyond the grave, I might as well voice some of my concerns here as well. In response to the arguments posed on IRC and mentioned in the opening post, I have been experimenting with developing a distinctly Terpish housing typology. My ideas so far center on giving the house two large general purpose rooms (along with the kitchen, bath, water closet and so forth) rather than the specialized living, dining, and sleeping rooms of Western houses. The larger room, usually joining the entrance, serves as the living and dining room during the day and provides a place for children (and guests if present) to sleep. The smaller room, away from the entrance, serves as a more private living room for the parents (or other set of adults who inhabit the house) and where they sleep.

I am wondering whether this would really make for a viable housing typology or whether it violates some sense of privacy and separation of uses. It seems to me that making the main room of the house both a living room for the family and a bedroom for the children makes the room too generalized and undifferentiated. If one may consider a house organically, it strikes me like having the functions of breathing and digestion crammed into one organ. In this case the functions of a common area for the whole family and an area for children to play and sleep seem rather contradictory and incompatible somehow. Of course, splitting the functions into a dedicated living room and dedicated bedroom for children brings us back to the usual typology of Western houses that I set out to avoid.

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It's entirely conceivable that, given cramped cities and tiny apartments, your Terps might get so used to little one-room apartments that even when they HAVE more space, they still opt for a larger open-plan arrangement. This might run into problems with modesty in a culture USED to having private rooms for everyone, but if they're used to having their beds in view of the common area (an apartment then being basically a really clean cubical yurt), then it wouldn't be an issue.

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It's usual practice with my family and friends to have guests sleep in the living room, too. It should be easy to extend that to everyone sleeping there, even in a conculture similar to Western Europe (my own family are all English).


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