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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 11:09 am 
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Most impressive.

Here's another one:

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The script is clearly written left to right. In the second example are the pictographs of the animals (and torsoless human) part of the script, or a pictographic representation of what the word means? Or are we not privy to this information?


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I think it's fair to tell you that the pictures are intended as illustrations, not writing.

Sorry about the image quality. The second picture, in case that's not apparent, shows a group of creatures with four legs and a tail.

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All the animal names end in that -X symbol, except the cat, which suggests it might be a suffix for domesticated animals that are not pets.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 12:14 pm 
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You might also want to consider what those things that look like crop circles are. (Hint: They're not crop circles.)

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Could you upload a better image? Especially the upper right corner is really hard to see.

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Sorry, my scanner's broken...
The top right picture is a guy with a straw in his hat. Then there are a bunch of little creatures. I'm hoping the text is legible.

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Hee hee, the kitty's cute.

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Thank you! :)

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Ok, so guesses using cedh's transcription system:

Ta - the
TaS - this
ZiH - is
aΛ - a
Q'iΛ - man/person
Q'e - bee
Q'SSS - buzz
iii - ouch(?)
SiY'aT - says
STiY - stings(?)

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the macron looks like it represents voicedness, if bzzz is anything to go by.


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I'm not convinced the macron is actually a full featurial diacritic, actually - so far it's only occurred on Q, T, and Y, so it might just be for particular variations on those specific letters.

Morphologically, both verbs (or what I guessed were verbs) start with S, so that might be a tense marking? Or coincidence.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:34 pm 
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Why not? They could be p/t/k versus b/d/g, and be the only sounds in the system which contrast by voice.

Tell me it doesn't make sense. :P


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True. :P

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This is what I think. Open to interpretation ofc, but it seems clear to me at least that those three are fricatives and those three are voiceless stops - which one's which, I'm unsure of. Mind you, I've also just thought that what I've labeled voice could well be nasals.
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Using this transcription, we get:
tes shal en ban
tes shal en bi
te bi saget "bsss"
te bi stak te ban
te ban saget "aaa"

I think this because of "saget" and "aaa".


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Here's the one with the animals (which is making me doubt my choice of sonorants when I was transcribing the other one - I now think <Y> is /r/ rather than /l/, because that would give /tire/ for animals, but I'll go with it for the moment. I think the crop circles are numbers.):
tes shal en bindal
re rad fiw tile
(crop circle) reste (horse)
(crop circle) kue (cow)
(crop circle) sshine (pig - ok so "sh" is clearly meant to be /w/ or /v/)
en kat (cat)
totaw (crop circle) (crop circle) tile


And here's the first one:
ik rad en openbalun
got stud efol ik
re sa (:) ik eksisti nix
so ik begwefi nix got
ik shet re eksisti nix

I exist not?

if "sh" is actually /v/ and "r" is actually /h/ (so we get "ik had", for instance) we'd get "ik vet he eksisti nix" - I think he doesn't exist.


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Here's another possible transcription:

ik had en openbarun (I had a revelation)
got stud efor ik (God stood before me)
he sa (:) ik eksisti nix (he said?? : I exist not)
so ik beglefi nix got (so i believe not God)
ik vet he eksisti nix (I think he exists not)
I can't really work out half of this.
ninja edit: oh right, it was because I thought "goat" instead of "God". :mrgreen:

tes var en bindar (this was a farmer)
he had fil tire (he had many animals)
XX heste (XX horses - I think -e is a plural marker incidentally)
XX kue (XX cows)
XX svine (XX pigs)
en kat (a cat)
total XX tire (total XX animals)

tes var en ban
tes var en bi
te bi saget "bsss"
te bi stak te ban
te ban saget "aaa"


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Well, that looks promising. :)

Anyway, if the crop circles are numbers, and the three down the side add up to the one on the bottom, as finlay's interpretation seems to indicate:
Each symbol can have a dot in the middle, or not (two possibilities)
Each symbol can have a hacek-thing on one of the four cardinal directions, or not at all (five possibilities)
Thus, there are ten possible digits, so we are probably in base 10.
It seems logical to conclude that symbol without any marks at all would be 0, but I don't know about the rest.
We have three different one-digit numbers (plus 1, from "a cat") that add up to a two-digit number.
The largest that two-digit number could possibly be is 25 (9+8+7+1).
Thus, assuming the numbers go left to right like the text, the symbol with the hacek to the right is either 1 or 2.
Possibly, the five numerals without the central dot are 0-4, and the five with the central dot are 5-9, but this is an unfounded assumption right now.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:10 pm 
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The other constraint is that the digits are all different, and none of the first three is 1 (I assume).

So we've got
A+B+C+1=DE

If the central dot represents 5: B, C, E ≥ 5.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:19 pm 
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This was simpler than trying to work out how to type it...


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If that guess is right, than B probably is 5 (since it's the equivalent of the presumed 0, but with the dot). If E > 5 then D has to be 1 (per previous post). If D is 1 and the dot adds 5 more, that means that E has to be 6, so the total is 16. That leaves us with {2|3|4} + 5 + {7|8|9} + 1 = 16, or {2|3|4} + {7|8|9} = 10, so A and C are either 2 and 8 respectively, or 3 and 7 respectively.

Ninja Edit: finlay worked it out on paper while I was typing. :P

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