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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 8:42 am 
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At, casteda dus des ometh coisen at tusta o diédem thum čisbugan. Ai, thiosa če sane búem mos sil, ne?
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Not particularly, to be honest. :P But it's good to get thoughts out there in a more coherent fashion to me, lol. As for the translations to the third part, faiuwle already established what they were likely to be, which is why i didn't write them in.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:54 pm 
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Most impressive, guys!

I thought I would have to give a lot more hints than that. Next time I'll make it apriori, so it'll be more of a challenge to guess. :P

Here's a quirky one just to mess with you a little:

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:46 pm 
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en livpot?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:50 pm 
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my guess would be "a lifeboat".


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:54 pm 
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Wait... There's two symbols for /v/?
Apparently the [+voice] diacritic applies to fricatives too.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 6:31 am 
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You've pretty much figured it all out, and with much less difficulty than I imagined. I hope you enjoyed my little challenge. As you noticed, the language is Germanic - let me know how realistic you think it looks.
Here is a short description of the language, and the correct interpretations of the texts.

phonemes are: aeiou tdpbkg sfx rlnhjw
no stress, length or tone distinctions
semivowels are more consonant-like when before vowel, like in English
POA of nasals and voicing of fricatives are allophonic
initial or final clusters can be fric+plos or plos+fric, medial can also be fric+plos+fric; the whole cluster gets the same voicing
most verbs are inflected either with a suffix (pres -i, past -et) or with umlaut
a common sound change is loss of tone for fricatives, since it's not phonemic
often v -> w and m -> p to avoid loss of distinction from f and n
there are no object forms, even of pronouns
writing is basically phonemic
dash above means voiced
hook means fricative
in clusters, the first consonant gets the dash, thus fricatives can occasionally also get it
the round things are digits; the spot on the side goes none-right-up-left-down to mean 0-1-2-3-4, and the spot in the middle adds five

Picture 1:

ik had en openbarun
got stod efor ik
he sa: ik eksisti nix
so ik beglefi nix got
ik wet he eksisti nix

I had a revelation
God stood before me
he said: I exist not
so I believe-in not God
I know he exists not

(be- is here a prefix which makes transitive; glefi "believe" -> beglefi "belive in")

Picture 2:

tes war en bondar
he had fil tire
3 heste
5 kue
7 swine
en kat
total 16 tire

there was a farmer
he had many animals
3 horses
5 cows
7 pigs
a cat
in-total 16 animals

(-e is plural. -ar is originally an active suffix, like English -er; bondar comes from bondi, "to live, to dwell")

Picture 3:

tes war en ban
tes war en bi
te bi saget "bsss"
te bi stak te ban
te man saget "aaa"

there was a man
there was a bee
the bee said "bzzz"
the bee stung the man
the man said "aaa"

(notice that the cluters all have the same voicing, so /bsss/ = [bz::])

Picture 4:
en livpot
[ɛn li:vbot]

a lifeboat

Good job everyone!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:21 am 
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Is it a future Swedish or something?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:05 pm 
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So "saget" and "sa" both mean "said"?

and oh god why do I mix up "think" and "know" when translating from other languages? I've done that with French before... now I'm doing it with vocab that I know via Dutch...

Also @bedelato, frankly <v> was a guess – I thought it could be either v or w and went with v because it looks more Scandiwegian. Chuma meant it to be a <w>, apparently.


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Siöö jandeng raiglin zåbei tandiüłåd;
nää džunnfin kukuch vklaivei sivei tåd.
Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei. Chei.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:51 am 
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What do the photos even mean?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:08 am 
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read the filenames

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:11 pm 
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Well, they're not exactly difficult texts. But take a look at the first text. It has 14 words - according to my count, whether you know Swedish, German, English or Dutch, half of them are obvious.

On a closer count, I find:
- all but two ("openbarung" and "wet") are cognate with the English equivalent
- all but one ("beglefi") are cognate with the Swedish equivalent
- all but two ("existi" and "so") are cognate with the Dutch equivalent (but I don't speak Dutch, so there may well be alternative words that are cognate)
- every single word is cognate with the German equivalent

So as far as I can tell, it seems pretty even.

I think it might be that it's easier to understand an average of a language family. It's kind of what makes a lot of auxlangs easier. But it's hard to test with such a small sample.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:31 pm 
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I only know 'openbarun' because of the title of a Sigur Rós song. :oops:

(this one: "Syndir Guðs (opinberun frelsarans)" which means like "Sins of God (Revelation of the Saviour)")

(And as I alluded before, I know "weet" from Dutch, but I mistranslated it as 'think' rather than 'know' because I'm a stupid dick)

By the way, is it 'ban' or 'man'? Is this discrepancy because of a lack of <m> in your alphabet? (while i'm on that subject, I just want to stick my nose in and say how much I dislike featural scripts and alphabets, and most of all featural alphabets, but you don't need to listen to me :P It's mainly because I can think of exactly 1 real world example (Korean) and 1 conexample (Tengwar), if you don't count the many other conexamples that come through this board.)


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:43 pm 
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I wanna do more of these sometime. :D

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 5:55 pm 
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Finlay: It's "ban", because there is no /m/; [m] is an allophone of [n], but "nan" would be confusing.

I'm not a big fan of featural scripts myself, but I think it made it easier to guess. I'm not planning to continue working on this lang.

Actually I've been thinking of making some sort of Germanic thing, but I wouldn't use this script for it.

Bedelato: I'm glad you liked it. I shall try to make it more difficult next time. Maybe someone else wants to try too.

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