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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 10:19 pm 
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This thread is for anyone who's doing diachronics and not quite sure what to do with semantic drift. Basically, anyone like me. I'm having fun with sound changes and grammatical changes, but semantic changes are a bit more difficult for me. I've come up with a few changes that I'm happy with (for example "tiny">"small" ... "air">"sky">"outer space/universe" ..."try">grammatical particle indicating on-purposeness ... "work">"try") but there are a thousand other instances where I want some semantic drift to happen but I just can't think where it could go. I need some inspiration.

This thread might work a bit like the Lexicon Building thread. Each post should include a word for the next person to show an interesting pathway of semantic drift for, past to present and/or present to future, with or without exemples from your conlang.

I don't know how realistic these examples are, but anyway:
The first person wrote:
Blah > blah > blah
Next word: "sky"
The second person wrote:
light+fast > lightning > storm > weather > air > sky > outer space > darkness/night
Next word: "mountain"
The third person wrote:
"climb"+"land" > "mountain" > "mountains of" + genitive > "a lot/much/many"
Next word: Blah
So, to start it off, can anyone think of a good past and/or future for a word meaning "give"?

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 10:39 pm 
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You mean like this?

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 11:10 pm 
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YngNghymru wrote:
You mean like this?


Oh, yes. Pretty close. My bad. That looks more complicated than my idea. I tried to search for it but didn't find it under "semantic drift".

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:15 am 
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YngNghymru wrote:
You mean like this?


That thread must not exist anymore. Neither does the search function show any other threads dealing with the subject. I missed the last one, but semantic drift is a difficult area for me too, and probably others, so hopefully it's alright to bring this thread to the front.

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So, to start it off, can anyone think of a good past and/or future for a word meaning "give"?


I'm going to say
yield > give > pay, e.g. a debt

Next word: naïve

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:23 am 
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naïve --> honest --> advisor

Next: teddy bear

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:49 am 
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teddy bear > cute fuzzy comfort object > anything which is comforting > something enjoyable > something one enjoys too much > obsession

Next: Leaf (of a plant)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:53 am 
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Leaf > blade > weapon.

Next word: coconut.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:55 am 
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Coconut > coconut shavings > cake icing with conconut shavings > icing > soft candy which resembles icing > candy > glass bead

Next: Pencil

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:53 am 
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stick > stylus > (+diminuitive) pencil > penis > penis (taboo) > idiot

(sorry, you have to admit it's logical)

Next word: kill

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:16 am 
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swallow > eat > consume, waste > get rid of > kill > destroy, devastate > dominate > control > hold > have

next: river

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:36 am 
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channel > (+ augmentive) river > flowing water > water > sheet of water, lake, mere > stagnant water, water that does not move > puddle > mud > something generally dirty > dust > pollen

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:54 am 
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blank stare II wrote:
YngNghymru wrote:
You mean like this?


That thread must not exist anymore. Neither does the search function show any other threads dealing with the subject. I missed the last one, but semantic drift is a difficult area for me too, and probably others, so hopefully it's alright to bring this thread to the front.

I copied down the results of that thread back when it existed:
Attachment:
semantic shift game.zip [21.94 KiB]
Downloaded 165 times
This might be missing the last shift or two, but nearly all, if not all, of the shifts that popped up in that game are compiled here. (in Excel document form)

And the next word, since there isn't one in the previous post...: leech

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:29 am 
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Lyhoko Leaci wrote:
blank stare II wrote:
YngNghymru wrote:
You mean like this?


That thread must not exist anymore. Neither does the search function show any other threads dealing with the subject. I missed the last one, but semantic drift is a difficult area for me too, and probably others, so hopefully it's alright to bring this thread to the front.

I copied down the results of that thread back when it existed:
Attachment:
semantic shift game.zip
This might be missing the last shift or two, but nearly all, if not all, of the shifts that popped up in that game are compiled here. (in Excel document form)

And the next word, since there isn't one in the previous post...: leech


leech > leeching/bleeding by leeches > remedy > poison > bitterness

clandestine

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:05 pm 
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Kvan wrote:
clandestine


buried -> hidden -> clandestine -> known but not spoken -> paperwork

next word: jump

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:11 pm 
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Rodlox wrote:
Kvan wrote:
clandestine


buried -> hidden -> clandestine -> known but not spoken -> paperwork

next word: jump


stumble --> rebound --> jump --> leaping (as in to attack) --> last ditch effort --> pyrrhic victory

Next Word:infinitessimal/itty-bitty/wicked-frickin'-small

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:05 pm 
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infinitesimal > > a speck > a freckle > a mole > a burl > a crag or jutting rocky outcropping > a skerry

infinitesimal > micro- (meter) > a hairsbreadth > a single hair > a small patch of hair > human genitals

Next word: louse


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:42 pm 
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Gojera wrote:
Next word: louse


louse > itch on head > brain-teaser > question

Next word: intelligent

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:52 am 
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intelligent -> clever -> sly -> tricky -> fiddly

Necktie

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:42 am 
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jewelery > necklace > necktie > noose > rope > string > shoelace

Next: disembowel.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:09 am 
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Risla wrote:
jewelery > necklace > necktie > noose > rope > string > shoelace

Next: disembowel.


split+body "disembowel" > decapitate > execute > kill > murder

Next word: lawyer

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:21 am 
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rule (as in the rules of the game, or whatever) > everybody + rule (law) > law + man (lawyer) > clerk > corrupt

I don't have a word, so someone else can go.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:53 am 
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no-word = silent > impassive > unhelpful > difficult > loathsome

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:58 am 
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joey wrote:
Next word: poison


beer -> bad beer (poorly made) -> poison -> doses -> medicine

beer -> bad beer (poorly made) -> poison -> barren -> void, vacant.


next word: (to) harry.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:49 pm 
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Rodlox wrote:
poison -> doses -> medicine


Nice.

Quote:
next word: (to) harry.


Is that 'marry'?

Friend > of a pair(adj) > to become one of a pair(v) > to marry

Next word: competitor

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:06 pm 
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blank stare II wrote:
Quote:
next word: (to) harry.
Is that 'marry'?
No, it's harry.


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