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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:37 am 
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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 11:51 am 
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A few proposals:

Sentence-final kepau occurs so often that it should probably be ignored, sort of like Japanese "ne~~~", but in the middle of a sentence, it could serve to demarcate clauses. Thus, the phrase Kepau ikepau is an idiom meaning roughly "So be it" (literally, "When, then", a phrase expressing a consequence, but with all the content words removed). I'm not sure whether this should come right after the deal is made ("It's a deal"), or after the North Wind's attempt ("Alas, oh well"). It depends on how much meaning we can cram in.

Accordingly, the first sentence splits up into two phrases:

Kepau ileun yna ovøyna nrofuat uyøa srularrau yønrylarrau ruluyønrau rulut...
"The North Wind and the Sun were disputing which was the stronger..."

...kepava oyønru yønrovøyna nrofu tsaiena kepau.
"...when a traveler came along wrapped in a warm cloak."

Also, the phrase srularrau yønrylarrau ruluyønrau rulut has an interesting construction, where each word shares one morpheme with the previous word. Perhaps this is a poetic device in the language.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:58 pm 
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I suggest that "ovøyna" means "Sun" and "nrofu" means "North Wind" (with <at> being an enclitic suffix meaning "and"). These "words", or similar ones, crop up with some regularity throughout the text, but only "nrofu" shows up in the sentence before "kepau ikepau" (the way I see it, the first part of the output "Kepau. . .Kepau ikepau" corresponds to that portion of the text running from the beginning to when the North Wind gave up. This could play into Tmeister's suggestion that "kepau ikepau" is an idiom, though perhaps its meaning/connotation could be altered slightly), and ovøyna, like the Sun, does not.

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