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More Relative Clause Morphology

When a relative clause immediately follows the verb the Relative inflection is placed in the Accusative or Dative slot of the head verb

Ünodeh hizim d'bed shiku.
ü-Ø-no-deh hiz-im d=bed shiku
2SG.NOM-IMPFV-know-REL.ACC be.3SG.M.NOM-3SG.M.ACC ACC=bad young.boy
You know that he's a bad little boy.

Note that shiku, "young boy", is a borrowing from Spanish (chico) and has a more precise meaning (male youth under the age of 12) than bö, "boy", which has a wider meaning (any youthful male, also used as a term of affection).


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:32 am 
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English descendants are a great idea.
Once I thought about adaptating of Nadsat to English.
i. e. droog (friend) - thrug
moloko (milk) - mulk
horosho (good) - corshaw


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I've been revamping the sound changes and the phonology. I'm retaining nasalized vowels, marked by ogoneks, rather than having then become long vowels.

I'm adjusting the verb morphology a bit. "Dynamic" (as opposed to "stative" and "experiential") verbs in the imperfective aspect obligatorily have a suffix -n, derived from English "-ing". This is a development of English's usage of the Present Progressive as the default non-past form in dynamic verbs.

Some verbs can have both dynamic and stative meanings depending on if they have the suffix or not. So, for example, the verb -hev "have/get", an aspect-supplentive verb derived from a fusion of "have" and "get", means "have" when stative and "get" when dynamic.

aahevi
aa-hev-i
1SG-have-3SG.N
"I have it"

aahevni
aa-hev-n-i
1SG-have-DYN-3SG.N
"I am getting it"


I'm also ditching tense distinctions in the perfective aspect. Aspect-supplentive verbs omit the regular perfective inflection.

So, the perfective of -hev would be:

aagahi
aa-gah-i
1SG-have.PFV-3SG.N
"I got it"


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Well, I can see the logic in having case marking being done with prefixes, despite it not seeming to be common among the Indo-European languages up to the present, from reading aloud what you have written. I won't comment on phonology as I will be the first to admit that it is not an area that I am as comfortable with as I'd like to be. One question I do have is what led you to decide to give Mekoshan polypersonal agreement? Under what circumstances could you envision a language like this developing? All in all, I consider it very interesting and I would be interested to learn more about the thought processes behind the project.


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