Re: Mekoshan, an English descendant
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:48 pm
Well, it just seems like an odd choice to set your futuristic story.Tivari wrote:Because he wanted it to be there.
Well, it just seems like an odd choice to set your futuristic story.Tivari wrote:Because he wanted it to be there.
I did the Midwest because I live here and speak the local dialect, it makes doing the initial batch of sound changes much easier. it also fits with the future political and economic systems I am developing for this area in my sci-fi universe.Eddy wrote:Well, it just seems like an odd choice to set your futuristic story.Tivari wrote:Because he wanted it to be there.
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| Animate | Inanimate
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Nominative | hu- | o-
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Accusative | -hu | -oh
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Dative | -tu | -toh
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Benifactive | -fro | -froh
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Genitive | fu | voh
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| Singular | Plural
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1st | dei- | dwi-
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2nd | döö- | dyaaz-
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3rd Masc. | dehi- | dede-
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3rd Femi. | deshi- | dede-
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3rd Indef. | dede- | dede-
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3rd Neut. | dee- | dede-
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Impersonal | don-
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You have a pharyngealized /t/ there, and I can't figure out what happens to it. If it's meant to be part of the final product, there's not a letter in the orthography to represent it. But if it's meant to turn into something else later (like the rest of the ones on those lines, I'm not seeing where it changes to something else./pʕ tʕ ʧʕ kʕ/ > /pˤ tˤ ʧˤ q/
/pʰʕ tʰʕ ʧʰʕ kʰʕ/ >/pˤʰ tˤʰ ʧˤʰ qʰ/
/tˤ tˤʰ/ is spelled <dr tr> when syllable-initial and <rd rt> when syllable-final. Sorry for the goof.justin wrote:Question re: sound changes.
In your list of changes, under Rhotic Pharyngealization, you have:You have a pharyngealized /t/ there, and I can't figure out what happens to it. If it's meant to be part of the final product, there's not a letter in the orthography to represent it. But if it's meant to turn into something else later (like the rest of the ones on those lines, I'm not seeing where it changes to something else./pʕ tʕ ʧʕ kʕ/ > /pˤ tˤ ʧˤ q/
/pʰʕ tʰʕ ʧʰʕ kʰʕ/ >/pˤʰ tˤʰ ʧˤʰ qʰ/
Is there something I'm just not seeing?
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1SG | see- | hera- | reda- | nou- | diika- |
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2SG | süü- | herü- | redü- | nuu- | diikü- |
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3SG.M | sihi- | herh- | reti- | nohi- | diikki- |
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3SG.F | sish- | hers- | resh- | nosh- | diiksh- |
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3SG.N | sii- | heri- | rii- | nüü- | diik- |
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1PL | siwi- | herwi- | rewi- | nowi- | diikwi- |
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2PL | seez- | hereez- | reez- | nweez- | diikeez- |
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3PL | side- | hedre- | rede- | node- | diikde- |
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Impersonal | sion- | heron- | redon- | noon- | diikon- |
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Nominative | de | do | Ø | som
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Accusative | dse | dso | da | dsom
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Dative | tse | tsi | tu | tsom
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Genitive | ove | ovi | ov | osm
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Locative | ęne | ęni | ę | ęsm
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Benifactive | fadre | fadri | fa | fasrm
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ši- v- kokh- i de madra da jena ęne kyešn fadri kyed- z
3SG.F.NOM- PFV- cook 3SG.N.ACC DEF.NOM mother INDEF.ACC supper DEF.LOC kitchen DEF.BEN.PL child- PL
The inspiration came from the French Canadian poster Yuiel, who has analized his native Quebec French as starting to develop agglutination and polypersonal agreement.Latinist13 wrote:Well, I can see the logic in having case marking being done with prefixes, despite it not seeming to be common among the Indo-European languages up to the present, from reading aloud what you have written. I won't comment on phonology as I will be the first to admit that it is not an area that I am as comfortable with as I'd like to be. One question I do have is what led you to decide to give Mekoshan polypersonal agreement? Under what circumstances could you envision a language like this developing? All in all, I consider it very interesting and I would be interested to learn more about the thought processes behind the project.
Does your dialect have intervocalic alveolar flapping of /t d/, and, if so, what happens to it in the process of sound change? Or are those situations just analyzed as /t d/, whereby /θ ð/ merge with them, and then the sound changes proceed as written?TaylorS wrote:Initial and intervocalic /θ ð/ > /t d/
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Intervocalic /t d/ disappear when preceding an unstressed vowel
Yes, my dialect has flapping. I made a mistake in that /θ ð/ > /t d/ makes [ɾ] phonemic, and it is [ɾ] that disappears intervocalically.Rorschach wrote:I know the word is much overused of late, but I have to say that, in my opinion, this is epic.
One question, though, about your sound change scheme.Does your dialect have intervocalic alveolar flapping of /t d/, and, if so, what happens to it in the process of sound change? Or are those situations just analyzed as /t d/, whereby /θ ð/ merge with them, and then the sound changes proceed as written?TaylorS wrote:Initial and intervocalic /θ ð/ > /t d/
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Intervocalic /t d/ disappear when preceding an unstressed vowel