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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:50 pm 
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I think another reason may be that the best and widely, freely available resources tend to be about IE langs, and Latin and its descendants are among the best established, so it's easy to have clear roots and structures to derive a descendant from, unlike if you wanted to make, let's say, West Mediterranean Finnic.

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The intent of my posting this category was not to glorify the freakish or bizarre "romlang" that may stretch the limits of the term. I have merely found that the majority of romlangs are poorly designed or implemented, and lack any sort of appeal. This is not to say that a Spanish-esque romlang with French-esque grammar would be uninteresting, but rather that because there are so many of them, the ones that deviate meaningfully from the majority are usually the ones that attract my specific attention.

That being said, Mediterranean Finnic would be quite a sight; I don't know why they would come so far from Finland, though. Maybe some sort of Hungarian thing would be more plausible, although verisimilitude in conhistory is a moot point. Finnic with Greek, Turkish, and Arabic influences?


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Here's a thought: maybe the bears felt alienated by the growing population of Finns, and migrated south in a mass exodus until they reached the balmy Mediterranean island of Cyprus (Bears can fly) where they drove out the pesky Cypriots and developed a Finno-Ursic-Romance-Hellenic-Semitic language, replete with rhoticization of vowels!

Sample sentence:

Urrr arurr grar!
It's time to eat!

Note the triconsonantal roots and the -ar verb in the first conjugation.


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Valleet karsumest! Tem-kupruchenkarsut inchalanvitun!
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Beary lies! Damned bears of Cyprus!

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Grra!
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It's only a matter of time before they conquer the planet.


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Are you sure you didn't say "latter" and "former" the wrong way round? :S

Anyway, if people want to do something outlandish with a Romance language, they could create a creole rather than something implausible.


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I assume you got your "former" and "latter" mixed up, Dewrad? But otherwise I agree 100%.

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brandrinn, jmcd: you're right, I did. :oops:


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And speaking for the unconventionals: what's so wonderful - so compulsory - about copying French, Spanish, Italian, and/or Romanian? Those languages already exist. While it's very admirable I suppose to be able to do that, and some of these romlangs even seem quite nice and occasionally interesting - I'd far rather see something novel. There's no law that says that Latin had to evolve the way it did and only the way it did. There is, for instance, no reason why case could not have survived (though given the trend toward prepositions, I think it's fair to say that a LARGE case system would be unlikely to survive). [Likewise: in PIE, the laryngeals could have survived, and indeed did, not only in Anatolian, but in several other branches as well. As it happens they were all lost eventually, but there's nothing magic about a sound labelled 'laryngeal' that means it must disappear by dawn/485 AD.]

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Speaking of tone, it would be possible for a romlang descended from Classical Latin to develop a pitch accent, which could turn into tone. Ancient Greek had a pitch accent, and conquered Greece conquered Rome; educated Romans used Greek as much as Latin, many times borrowing words from the former into the latter. It wouldn't be too ridiculous for a romlang to evolve from Hellenized Classical Latin and then develop tone.
Alternatively, if althistory Rome were to conquer sub-Saharan Africa, Bantu-Romance could also develop tone.


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