What's next

pharazon · Post by **pharazon** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:27 pm

Xeon wrote:What about Flaidish? Does it have a fairly comprehensive grammar yet?

Zomp has a website, you know.

http://zompist.com/flaidish.htm

Shm Jay · Post by **Shm Jay** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:29 pm

Xeon wrote:What about Flaidish? Does it have a fairly comprehensive grammar yet?

Yes! Check www.zompist.com

Xeon · Post by **Xeon** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:29 pm

pharazon wrote:
Xeon wrote:What about Flaidish? Does it have a fairly comprehensive grammar yet?
Zomp has a website, you know.

http://zompist.com/flaidish.htm

Heheh. I never saw the link to the Flaidish grammar before.

Drydic · Post by **Drydic** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:39 pm

zompist wrote:
Ghost wrote:A year and a quarter on, I really must revoice the old question:

What's next?
Who knows? However, I can answer the question "what have I been working on?" And that would be:

-- a full description of Meshaism (the religion of ancient Axunai, and the parent of Endaju?)
-- the grammar of Axunashin
-- a grammar of Old Skourene

:drools, followed by high-pitched yipping:

brandrinn · Post by **brandrinn** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 9:23 am

1: the Dhekhnami (or at least the Demoshi) have large ocean-going ships.
2: they have a trade relationship with Kebri and an intense rivalry with Verduria.
3: they have witnessed both these nations prosper from over-seas colonies.

My question is: how long could it be before Dhekhnam founds a colony? It seems strange to me that it hasn't happened already.

I think the most likely place would be Xamshan, away from hostile Verdurian influence, but near neutral Kebreni trading partners. For a while, this might provide a menacing rival to the Verdurian trade network in Uytai and Mnese. But of course, only for a little while.

The Demoshi back home would certainly treat this new outpost poorly, with the usual proceedure being that this new colony will conquer its neighbors and treat them like risdosh. But with the oppressors so far away, and narry a Ktuvok for miles, the more sensible solution would be to simply break away from Dhekhnam, creating an independant Eynlayni state. Shades of Fananak.

So, is any of this reasonable?

vec · Post by **vec** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 9:55 am

Hey, welcome to the board. Is it just me or does your name sound Icelandic?

brandrinn · Post by **brandrinn** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:28 am

It's Old Norse, actually, so yeah, it basically is Icelandic. It doesn't mean anything special ("The Sword"), I just couldn't think of anything better at the time I registered.

vec · Post by **vec** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:31 am

So, you're not a fellow Icelander?

Izambri · Post by **Izambri** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:35 am

brandrinn wrote:It's Old Norse, actually, so yeah, it basically is Icelandic. It doesn't mean anything special ("The Sword"), I just couldn't think of anything better at the time I registered.

Really? It means "the sword"? I don't know why I'm not surprised... The Catalan verbs brandar, brandejar and brandir mean "to carry a sword in the hands and moving it threatening".

BTW, welcome to the ZBB!!!

vec · Post by **vec** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:37 am

Izopiru wrote:
brandrinn wrote:It's Old Norse, actually, so yeah, it basically is Icelandic. It doesn't mean anything special ("The Sword"), I just couldn't think of anything better at the time I registered.
Really? It means "the sword"? I don't know why I'm not surprised... The Catalan verbs brandar, brandejar and brandir mean "to carry a sword in the hands and moving it threatening".

BTW, welcome to the ZBB!!!

Brandur means sword, mostly used by RPGers nowadays though.

Izambri · Post by **Izambri** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:40 am

vegfarandi wrote:Brandur means sword, mostly used by RPGers nowadays though.

Pardon my ignorance, Veg, but what's a RPGer?

brandrinn · Post by **brandrinn** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:49 am

I figured Brand(r) in Norse was related to the English word brand, but I didn't know there were so many cognates. maybe this would make an interesting discussion in the linguistics forum.
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anyway, any thoughts on a Dhekhnami colony in the late 3400's? What form and history might it have?

vec · Post by **vec** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 11:09 am

Something I just came up with about someone who RPs.

(RP = role play)
(RPG = role playing game)

Nuntar · Post by **Nuntar** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 11:12 am

Izopiru wrote:
brandrinn wrote:It's Old Norse, actually, so yeah, it basically is Icelandic. It doesn't mean anything special ("The Sword"), I just couldn't think of anything better at the time I registered.
Really? It means "the sword"? I don't know why I'm not surprised... The Catalan verbs brandar, brandejar and brandir mean "to carry a sword in the hands and moving it threatening".

I suppose that must be related to the English word brandish, with the same meaning?

Welcome to the board!

Twpsyn Pentref · Post by **Twpsyn Pentref** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 11:14 am

brandrinn wrote:It's Old Norse, actually, so yeah, it basically is Icelandic. It doesn't mean anything special ("The Sword"), I just couldn't think of anything better at the time I registered.

I've studied just enough Old Norse to know that

.

Anyway, welcome!

Izambri · Post by **Izambri** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 11:24 am

Ahribar wrote:
Izopiru wrote:
brandrinn wrote:It's Old Norse, actually, so yeah, it basically is Icelandic. It doesn't mean anything special ("The Sword"), I just couldn't think of anything better at the time I registered.
Really? It means "the sword"? I don't know why I'm not surprised... The Catalan verbs brandar, brandejar and brandir mean "to carry a sword in the hands and moving it threatening".
I suppose that must be related to the English word brandish, with the same meaning?

Welcome to the board!

Catalan has lots of Germanic roots thanks to the barbarian invasions in the High Middle Ages, so I'm sure brandar, brandejar and brandir are related to some Germanic root. Anybody knows what is that root?

Post by **zompist** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 1:39 pm

The root for all the words mentioned is Germanic *brandaz 'a flaming torch', by extension a sword. English brand, brandish, and brandy are all cognates. The PIE root is *bhreu- 'bubble, burn', with descendants including brew, bread, broth, broil, breed, breath, brawn. (These are all from the AHD, which skimps on IE forms that didn't produce English words.)

Anyway, Dhekhnami colonies. It's an interesting idea, but I think it goes pretty far against Dhekhnami practice-- they prefer contiguity, which allows a defense (or offense) in strength. The very idea that a colony could become independant would, from the ktuvoks' point of view, be unacceptable. On the other hand, their thinking might change in the coming centuries as Almea becomes a modern world.

Iscun · Post by **Iscun** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:58 pm

zompist wrote:On the other hand, their thinking might change in the coming centuries as Almea becomes a modern world.

What kind of ideas do you have for Almea for its next, say, 200 years? Anything besides some of the monuments mentioned in the Civ II scenario, and, of course, the war between Verduria and Dhekhnam?

brandrinn · Post by **brandrinn** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 2:03 pm

war between Dhekhnam and Verduria? how do you figure?

seriously though, which multiple eretald-ktuvoki wars so far, maybe something different would be more interesting. perhaps another crisis would force a wary alliance between the two powers. or something...

So Haleza Grise · Post by **So Haleza Grise** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:17 pm

brandrinn wrote:war between Dhekhnam and Verduria? how do you figure?

Zomp has mentioned this a few times as a likely possibility; the main factor is simply that the two are the most advanced, most significant states on Almea, in a position of direct competition, and with a (very) long history of mutual hostility. It's largely a matter of when.

Post by **zompist** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 7:53 pm

Iscun wrote:What kind of ideas do you have for Almea for its next, say, 200 years?

If you could get to Almea right now, it would be Z.E. 3480. So I really don't worry much about what happens past that-- it's in the future. Besides, if I worked out Almean history to (say) 3680, people would just ask after the next two centuries.

This may change if I ever feel like writing an epic. The next novels I want to write, however, are in the Xurno of the Prose Wars, and in present-day Verduria.

Iscun · Post by **Iscun** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:46 pm

Ah I see. Well, that's understandable. You have to stop somewhere.

So, how is the Historical Atlas of Arc?l coming?

brandrinn · Post by **brandrinn** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:50 pm

So Haleza Grise wrote:
brandrinn wrote:war between Dhekhnam and Verduria? how do you figure?
Zomp has mentioned this a few times as a likely possibility; the main factor is simply that the two are the most advanced, most significant states on Almea, in a position of direct competition, and with a (very) long history of mutual hostility. It's largely a matter of when.

sorry, i guess i wasn't displaying enough sarcasm; my point was that such a war would a really obvious (which i interpreted as unimaginative) option for the future. however, if Zompist (should i call him Mark?) has mentioned it, im sure he has some ideas to make it original, so maybe i spoke too soon.

Shm Jay · Post by **Shm Jay** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:53 pm

Iscun wrote:Ah I see. Well, that's understandable. You have to stop somewhere.

Yes, but it should be at Z.E. 4480

Oh, well, there are always the endless realms of alternate-history

Aidan · Post by **Aidan** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:12 pm

brandrinn wrote:my point was that such a war would a really obvious (which i interpreted as unimaginative) option for the future. however, if Zompist (should i call him Mark?) has mentioned it, im sure he has some ideas to make it original, so maybe i spoke too soon.

Well, sometimes in conworldry, obvious is unimaginative, and sometimes it's what would happen. Knowing the difference between the realistic and the cliche is one of the primary skills that goes into becoming a good conworlder, I think.