Thoughts about Swedish in the Verdurian modern terminology

[Aszev]

I looked through the modern terrestial terminology and I found some things I think is a bit odd. Some of the Swedish words marked in [] are wrong and some of the Verdurian loans doesn't entirely seemed to come directly from spoken Swedish, which it says.

If you want I can make a list of the ones that I think would need to be overlooked.

[zompist]

I looked through the modern terrestial terminology and I found some things I think is a bit odd. Some of the Swedish words marked in [] are wrong and some of the Verdurian loans doesn't entirely seemed to come directly from spoken Swedish, which it says.

If you want I can make a list of the ones that I think would need to be overlooked.

Sure, go ahead.

[Aszev]

Transportation

- bike is cykel
- I assumed the ones not identical should be there so, bus is buss, gas station is (bensin)mack, taxi is taxi

Computers

- computer is dator

Technology

- camera is kamera, radio is radio, telephone is telefon, television is TV or teve, video is video

Measures

- the initial sound in kilo- is /s\/ and my thought was that maybe it's more likely that it will be loaned as ?.

Lifestyle

- dollar is dollar
- A comic strip would much more likely just be called a serie
- euro is euro which has three pronounciations, /eUrO/, /evrO/ and as in English
- jeans and t-shirt are spelled the same in Swedish

Health

- aids is aids, cigarette is cigarett, heroin and vitamin are spelled like en.

Food

- hamburgare is correct but the g is pronounced as j, thus /hamb8rjare/
- hot dog is varm korv
- pizza is pizza, pronounced with middle /ts/

Thought systems

- right is h?ger, the right is h?gern

Days of the Week

- All the final a:s are /A:/ so maybe you want an ?.
- I think tista would be more probable than tizda, scince there is no /z/
- the rs and rd in torsdag and l?rdag are /s` d`/, maybe this would make it ? and d?
- the Swedish names are s?ndag, m?ndag, tisdag, onsdag, torsdag, fredag, l?rdag. In the underlined, both vowels are long.

Months of the Year
- the rs in mars is /s`/, again, maybe this would make it ??
- The Swedish names are januari, februari, mars, april, maj, juni, juli, augusti, september, oktober, november, december

I'll take the rest later...

[Miekko]

- the initial sound in kilo- is /s\/ and my thought was that maybe it's more likely that it will be loaned as ?.

Although I am probably (with Avaja) the speaker of the Swedish, ZBB-represented dialect that most consistently has k > tS/s\/S/c/whatever, it is very common in Eastern Swedish to pronounce kilo- as /kilO/, and if they were borrowed more than 150-200 years ago, they probably still hadn't been hit by a k > whatever change.

- hamburgare is correct but the g is pronounced as j, thus /hamb8rjare/

Several dialects use /g/ there, in fact.

- I think tista would be more probable than tizda, scince there is no /z/

This is the predominant direction voicing assimilation goes in Swedish.

[zompist]

- the initial sound in kilo- is /s\/ and my thought was that maybe it's more likely that it will be loaned as ?.

Although I am probably (with Avaja) the speaker of the Swedish, ZBB-represented dialect that most consistently has k > tS/s\/S/c/whatever, it is very common in Eastern Swedish to pronounce kilo- as /kilO/, and if they were borrowed more than 150-200 years ago, they probably still hadn't been hit by a k > whatever change.

Sounds like we need a consistent reference dialect. It seems right to use that of the Ambassador, which I assume is that of Link?ping. Does that change any of the relevant pronunciations?

Miekko, these are modern terms, so it's contemporary pronunciation I'm looking for.

- I think tista would be more probable than tizda, scince there is no /z/

This is the predominant direction voicing assimilation goes in Swedish.

I'm not following here: are you saying it's pronounced [tizda], or that it's not?

[Aszev]

I live near Link?ping and I go to school there so I guess my dialect would be quite suitable for this purpose then. Not that I have a real dialect anyway scince we speak quite standard down here...

[Miekko]

- I think tista would be more probable than tizda, scince there is no /z/

This is the predominant direction voicing assimilation goes in Swedish.

I'm not following here: are you saying it's pronounced [tizda], or that it's not?

[tista] - voicing assimilation, whenever it occurs in Swedish (I don't have very much of it, at least) generally unvoices rather than voices a sound.

[Avaja]

- hamburgare is correct but the g is pronounced as j, thus /hamb8rjare/

I clearly don't say /8/. My dialect probably uses /}/ instead.

[Noriega]

the Swedish names are s?ndag, m?ndag, tisdag, onsdag, torsdag, fredag, l?rdag. In the underlined, both vowels are long.

In my informal spoken language, all the -dag are unstressed [da] or [ta]. How about you Aszev?

"mOn:da
"ti:sta or "tIsta
"Un:sta
"tu:s`t`a or "tUs`t`a
"fre:da
"l9:d`a
"s9n:da

[Aszev]

Yes, you're right, they are short in quick speech. I don't make the first vowels in tisdag and torsdag short though.

[Aszev]

- hamburgare is correct but the g is pronounced as j, thus /hamb8rjare/

I clearly don't say /8/. My dialect probably uses /}/ instead.

Are both your short and long u at the same poa?

[Avaja]

Are both your short and long u at the same poa?

No, but my dialect doesn't have /8/ at all, and I'm quite sure that I pronounce it as a long vowel. Therefore it could be /}:/ too. I'm not sure.

[Noriega]

Yes, you're right, they are short in quick speech. I don't make the first vowels in tisdag and torsdag short though.

The short i in "tisdag" might be a Scanian influence: "I tisdags" is [I "tIstes].