Skourene Historical Atlas, Flash Style

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Shm Jay wrote:I look forward to the Atlas when I get back to the university and can look at it on a not-dial-up Internet connection.
Ditto (pretty much)

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Shm Jay wrote:I look forward to the Atlas when I get back to the university and can look at it on a not-dial-up Internet connection.
:?:

I don't know--I'm here on a dial-up connection (it's the only kind I have), and I had no problems loading or viewing the Skourene atlas (or the attached history page) from the link at the beginning of the thread--it didn't take that long, either. I've had more trouble trying to link to it from the main Virtual Verduria page, though.

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Flash has astonishing compression capabilities-- the atlas is only 380K right now, shorter than some of the lexicons.

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Alright, I'll look at it then.

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Um i just noticed a rather cool little animation at the end - Now what the hell is that all about? :roll:
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Warmaster wrote:Um i just noticed a rather cool little animation at the end - Now what the hell is that all about? :roll:
Glenn wrote:I also finally cycled through the existing portion of the maps. For me, as for Neek, the "Stepped" button kicks the animation of the map into ultra-fast mode (although you can click on a year in the menu to make it stop). In addition, I also discovered the rather gory consequences of trying to look too far ahead.
Zomp wrote:2. The animation represents a Skourene encountering a Mei.
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Or, as I like to think, the animation shows the results of trying to learn Things That Man Was Not Meant To Know (i.e., that Mark hasn't posted yet :wink: ).

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So Haleza Grise wrote:
Warmaster wrote:Um i just noticed a rather cool little animation at the end - Now what the hell is that all about? :roll:
Glenn wrote:I also finally cycled through the existing portion of the maps. For me, as for Neek, the "Stepped" button kicks the animation of the map into ultra-fast mode (although you can click on a year in the menu to make it stop). In addition, I also discovered the rather gory consequences of trying to look too far ahead.
Zomp wrote:2. The animation represents a Skourene encountering a Mei.
Ooops, thats what you get for being bone idle and not reading the thread fully :roll:
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Been browsing through the new atlas, and I've got one word: AWESOME! Great job Zomp!
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Excellent. Looking forward to the finished page.

I had to go to the text version to read the history, because when I cliked on it I got a message saying "popup blocked". Altering the option in Norton Internet Security didn't help.

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I plan to wait until everything's up before I look at the atlas in detail, but from what I've seen so far it looks very cool. I love the little skourene-mei animation. :D
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Hmm, is anyone actually reading this week to week? I tend to post large projects like this in chunks to build interest, but it looks like it's not working.

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zompist wrote:Hmm, is anyone actually reading this week to week? I tend to post large projects like this in chunks to build interest, but it looks like it's not working.
I know I'm reading it.
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zompist wrote:Hmm, is anyone actually reading this week to week? I tend to post large projects like this in chunks to build interest, but it looks like it's not working.
I am as well. To be honest, dealing with the one culture is I think harder to follow than the main Historical Atlas, where the narrative thread, if you like, is a little clearer. I often have to revisit old maps in order to follow events. But it looks like things are getting more interesting now.
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zompist wrote:Hmm, is anyone actually reading this week to week? I tend to post large projects like this in chunks to build interest, but it looks like it's not working.
I'm reading it.
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Just for the record, I have been following the Skourene Historical Atlas as well, and intend to continue to do so; among other things, I find the development of the various political systems interesting -- the usampas versus the ugaşras, the creation of a rather unusual form of representative democracy in Kolatimand, and so forth.

(I do agree with SHG that I find this atlas a bit harder to follow than the first, chiefly due to the geographic jigsaw puzzle formed by the Skourene city-states and their colonies.
I must confess, however, that I have been paying closer attention to the text version, and not always tracking the changes on the map.)

I'm sorry that this atlas has attracted less ongoing comment than the first Historical Atlas did (back in the days of the Virtual Verduria Message Board). Rest assured that it's being read, even if the readers have few comments to offer.

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Glenn wrote:(I do agree with SHG that I find this atlas a bit harder to follow than the first, chiefly due to the geographic jigsaw puzzle formed by the Skourene city-states and their colonies.
Do you turn on the Political checkbox? If not, that should help a lot with that problem. I should probably turn it on by default.

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[quote="zompist"]Hmm, is anyone actually reading this week to week? quote]

I'm reading and enjoying it.

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Sorry, it took me a while to figure out how the atlas is supposed to be used.

Nice work, Mark- you've actually managed it to make Skourene history interesting! The last phase is called "The Reawakening"- does that mean that they're going to get wiped out just as they get their act together again? Tragic.
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zompist wrote:Do you turn on the Political checkbox? If not, that should help a lot with that problem. I should probably turn it on by default.
Just wanted to respond to this--I did recently begin clicking the Political checkbox, but it's true that it took my a while to do so; since the box is irrelevant for the first couple of maps, it took me some time to twig to the fact that it made a real difference in terms of the later ones (i.e., without it I could see the boundaries, but not the colors.) I've now used it in viewing all of the maps to date, however.

As I mentioned, my real problem is that I've concentrated on reading the text history, and treated the maps as a sideline -- to get the full picture, I really need to take the time to compare them more carefully side by side.

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Glenn wrote:
zompist wrote:Do you turn on the Political checkbox? If not, that should help a lot with that problem. I should probably turn it on by default.
Just wanted to respond to this--I did recently begin clicking the Political checkbox, but it's true that it took my a while to do so; since the box is irrelevant for the first couple of maps, it took me some time to twig to the fact that it made a real difference in terms of the later ones (i.e., without it I could see the boundaries, but not the colors.) I've now used it in viewing all of the maps to date, however.

As I mentioned, my real problem is that I've concentrated on reading the text history, and treated the maps as a sideline -- to get the full picture, I really need to take the time to compare them more carefully side by side.

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Was there no way to have the text as a scroll box underneath the maps? i thought that worked exceedingly well for the historical atlas of almea.
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I can read the new text chapters for 885 and 950, but the maps don't don't show on the flash - although I tried several paths of access (through the change log, through the zompist main page, and through Virtual Verduria), and although I hit the refresh button several times. What's wrong?
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hwhatting wrote:I can read the new text chapters for 885 and 950, but the maps don't don't show on the flash - although I tried several paths of access (through the change log, through the zompist main page, and through Virtual Verduria), and although I hit the refresh button several times. What's wrong?
I can see them fine, so I'm guessing you're getting a cached copy. (Swf files are usually safe to cache since people don't update them much.) If it's a local cache, try shift-reload, or clear your browser cache. If your ISP is cacheing it, you'll have to wait for their cache to expire.

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Post by Glenn »

It's done! :)

I saw Mark's notice on the Zompist.com front page that the Historical Atlas of Skouras had been completed, and finished reading the final entries tonight. Congratulations!
I was particularly interested in hearing about the Tzuro conquest of the Littoral... 8)

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