Mornche Geddick wrote:
It would be interesting if the ktuvoks were actually redeemable. The murtanî are, if they're caught young and brought up as elcarî.
Both are redeemable, but you have to take a non-human point of view.
1. For the murtanî, it seems to be mostly a cultural deviation from Elkarîl standards. We do not know exactly why the murtanî started as they did. As far as I feel it, it's like if they had a Bezu ma-Beon (I am fully aware of what seems to be a mistake here, btw) that succeeded too much and created a society which is mainly trustless because it only relies on fear of the strong (and not mutuality as it is in Elcarin, Uestin and Human societies, mostly speaking). Among both groups you mention, the murtanî are then bigger "sinners", because they basically wanted to destroy another part of their own species.
2. Compare with the ktuvokî. As far as we know, all ktuvokî are as we see them in Dekhnam and Munkhash. Basically, we never saw a "human-like" sociality with a ktuvok. They are acting ktuvokinly, if you understand what I mean.
That is, we are all biased here. You are asking non-Humans to act as Humans. It's entirely reasonable to expect it from Uestî in most ways, because we share pretty much all the behaviors (except for a natural tendency to bathe at least once a day, whenever possible; in humans, not that true...). For Elcarî, they probably have their own standards, and we should go by theirs to evaluate. (A look at the history behind the whole murtanî affair would also be great. We don't have much to go, except from (obviously biased) Elcarin sources. And for the ktuvokî, why would we even expect them to act humanely when they are far far away from being human to start with. It's not just a question of culture here. They have some pretty hard-wired behaviors that are not human in any way, why then should they act as humans. For my part, while they are certainly a threat, they are a threat not as enemies, but a threat as any predator would be. You don't get rid of other predators, though you might want to, but you contain them. But you have to make sure you contain them. And containing a species that is actually a real threat to you is probably a lot harder than any other...
All being said, I'll do my flaid and say :
"The Universe disagrees. I took my side not because it is the right (reasonable) one or the legal (punishmentless) one but because it is the good (healthy) one."