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Drydic_guy wrote:Also, are you (Mark) planning on using Unicode anywhere else? Perhaps, writing the newer ones in Unicode, and switching the others along the way? Or was it just for the Cir?ma?
I expect to continue using Unicode. I haven't heard any complaints except Warmaster's :( and it sure is prettier.

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I'd vote for either Flaidish, Cuezi or the map of Arcel... I can't choose, durnit!

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Jaaaaaa wrote:I'd vote for either Flaidish, Cuezi or the map of Arcel... I can't choose, durnit!
Arc?l is clearly the best choice! Imagine a whole new continent of Almea opened. There will be so many cultures and languages that may interest you more than Flaidish and Cuezi combined!

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Warmaster wrote:by the way, why can't i get the count of year to work properly, half the letters look like gobeeldegook
You probably have an older computer system that doesn't have a robust enough Unicode font. What operating system and browser are you using?
Windows 98 and internet explorer 5.5. i really need a new PC but i don't have the money :cry:
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zompist wrote:I expect to continue using Unicode. I haven't heard any complaints except Warmaster's :( and it sure is prettier.
Hip-hip hooray for Unicode! May it come to flower Soon (and it's about bloody time).

Well, I notice there haven't been any votes for the "biology" option you listed. But then you know my thoughts on that.

I would love to see some biological development, domestic plants and animals, ecosystems, etc.

Sigh, I need to write up such for my website, too too much to do. But preliminary sketch of a goblin is going up soon! And I worked on the biologic description of Notolopha torviris (of which goblins are a sub-species) today.

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Aidan wrote:Well, I notice there haven't been any votes for the "biology" option you listed. But then you know my thoughts on that.

I would love to see some biological development, domestic plants and animals, ecosystems, etc.
I'd love to see more on the biology as well; it's an aspect that I've long been curious about. However, it's such an enormous (and potentially time-consuming) theme that I realize it may be a long time in coming.

That's my problem, perhaps; I'm interesting in anything new!

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Glenn Kempf wrote: I'm interesting in anything new!
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zompist wrote:
Jaaaaaa wrote:I was RIGHT! Thanks!

So it sounds like <flayed>?
Whoops, no, one of us talks funny...

For me, "flayed" has an /e/, and rhymes with "raid", "made", "weighed".

"Plaid" (and "flaid") have /&/ as in 'cat', and rhyme with "fad", "sad", "glad".
Hehehe! that means "flaidish" rhymes with "radish".

tehehe.

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Drydic_guy wrote:Well, a Cu?zi grammar is probably coming soon... I haven't really thought about Arc?l... personally I'd root for more on the Axunašin/Xurn?š~Xurnese, religion or no. Flaidish could be fun...
One question though: Do you have much on the Western/Somoyi-Methelyi languages?
An interesting question; Z. has given us a few hints on the other language families, but hasn't said whether he's written up anything formally yet...

We do know (mostly from the Proto-Eastern page) that the Western/Somoyi-Methelyi languages typically have VSO syntax (which most of the Naviu peoples, as neighboring nomads, borrowed), and that the Lenani-Littoral languages generally have four grammatical genders (apparently masculine, feminine, animate and inanimate--or perhaps something more unusual).

Mark? Do you have any more info squirreled away? Or are you not ready to tell us yet?

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Glenn Kempf wrote:Mark? Do you have any more info squirreled away?
Nope, sorry...

BTW, the immediate answer to "what's next" turns out to be the Cu?zi grammar, mostly because it didn't need much revising after all.

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zompist wrote:
Glenn Kempf wrote:Mark? Do you have any more info squirreled away?
Nope, sorry...

BTW, the immediate answer to "what's next" turns out to be the Cu?zi grammar, mostly because it didn't need much revising after all.
Do you plan to put anything on Cuezian poetics in there?

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So Haleza Grise wrote:Do you plan to put anything on Cuezian poetics in there?
Nah... there's not much to say beyond what I wrote in the Commentary. A good place to start would be to imitate the meter of the poem given there. Well, once you have the lexicon. :)

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I had a strange dream last night. I was looking at the Virtual Verduria homepage, and the language section looked something like this:


Verdurian Cadhinor
Isma?n Proto-Eastern
Barakhinei Elkar?l
Flaidish Cuzei
. Xurn?sh
Yes, it was Cuzei, not Cu?zi. And I do not know why Wede:i wasn't on there. Just a strange tidbit.
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Heh, I'm tickled that you have dreams about finding more me. Reminds me of dreams I've had of finding more Peanuts or Pogo books... usually I know I'm in a dream and feel frustrated that I won't be able to keep them.

I keep working on Flaidish, but it goes in fits and starts. Some parts of it are cool; others just aren't gelling. And curiously, though the words sound like English, the sentences don't.

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zompist wrote:Heh, I'm tickled that you have dreams about finding more me. Reminds me of dreams I've had of finding more Peanuts or Pogo books... usually I know I'm in a dream and feel frustrated that I won't be able to keep them.

I keep working on Flaidish, but it goes in fits and starts. Some parts of it are cool; others just aren't gelling. And curiously, though the words sound like English, the sentences don't.
Just goes to show how important stress patterns and intonations are - this is the biggest problem that fluent non-native English speakers have in being understood - they speak it to quickly for native-speakers to follow their intonations.

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Well, in the days that the Cu?zi grammar has been up, I've gone through the whole thing and there doesn't seem to be much different except for the examples.
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Drydic_guy wrote:Well, in the days that the Cu?zi grammar has been up, I've gone through the whole thing and there doesn't seem to be much different except for the examples.
Hey, it takes work to html-ify these things. (I don't let Word create html versions; it creates a mess.)

But yes, the language itself is pretty much unchanged (though I think the ftp-able version didn't have the section on unusual endings in the nominal declensions). The lexicon is much bigger, though.

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zompist wrote: I don't let Word create html versions; it creates a mess.
And a huge, 200MB mess at that.

Q: Are you going to take the FTP'd grammars down, now?
On second thought, don't. Then we can have the tedious, linguistically-balanced grammar of Cadhinor.
I'm sure that you're going to change the VV main page soon.
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I liked the grammar a lot. It's well presented and the extra example is great, especially for the meter.

Just one quibble - I think that the (my Latin intuition keeps wanting to call 'em deponent) verbs "to burn" and "to be born" are mentioned in two different places, at the end of the syntax and the morphology sections, I think it is. But they have different infinitives - am I to assume that -? is correct now, being a revision of -e?

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Emai all.

I have a (perhaps) dumb question: I can't seem to find the new Cu?zi grammar on the VV site at all, just the old FTP one.

Where is it located? Or is it gone now? Or did I miss it somehow? :?
Just curious...

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Glenn Kempf wrote:I have a (perhaps) dumb question: I can't seem to find the new Cu?zi grammar on the VV site at all, just the old FTP one.

Where is it located? Or is it gone now? Or did I miss it somehow? :?
Just curious...
Hmm, thought I'd updated VV. You can get to it from the main page. Or here: http://www.zompist.com/cuezi.htm

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I also recently finished the map of Arc?l:

http://www.zompist.com/Arcel.gif

This will probably be the base map for the eventual atlas. (That doesn't mean the atlas will be coming soon! I have a whole continent's worth of history to do first. Having a map is the first step, though!)

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zompist wrote:I have a whole continent's worth of history to do first.
IIRC, you once said that you planed to make Verduria more or less familiar and pre-industrial-Europe-like (both in language and in culture), and get more weird the farther you get away from it.

That would mean that Arc?l has to be odder than both Xurno and Dekhnam from a Western point of view. Any ideas on how to do that? Perhaps by trying to adapt the strangest customs anthropologists reported from hunter/gatherer and early acriculture cultures to more settled civilisations?

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zompist wrote:
Glenn Kempf wrote:I have a (perhaps) dumb question: I can't seem to find the new Cu?zi grammar on the VV site at all, just the old FTP one.

Where is it located? Or is it gone now? Or did I miss it somehow? :?
Just curious...
Hmm, thought I'd updated VV. You can get to it from the main page. Or here: http://www.zompist.com/cuezi.htm
Hmm--thanks! I'd read the FTP version earlier, so it was good to take a look at the new one. (Still can't find a link at Virtual Verduria or the Zompist.com main page, though--as I said, I may be looking in the wrong place.)

Thanks as well for the map of Arcel; it's quite attractive, and develops many of the features that are barely visible in the world map. (I notice from the latter, BTW, that there is a region of hunter-gatherers at the western end of Arcel, a bit like the relatively simple and stable Qaraus at the eastern end of Erelae. I also see on the map of non-human races that there is a large population of elcari in the mountain/desert(?) "knot" in the northeast and of icelani in the northwest (probably deep jungle), as well as pockets elsewhere--and a lot of iliu around Haibalai. Interesting...)

If I'm viewing it correctly, I also see that you got the rift valley you wanted.

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