Trolls?
Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2002 10:21 pm
Does this confirm the existence of the "trolls" of almea?ebd?nm?k troll [`excavation-stealer']
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Re: Trolls?
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2002 12:50 am
I asked Zomp about this in a post a while back, and received the following reply:Jaaaaaa wrote:Does this confirm the existence of the "trolls" of almea?ebd?nm?k troll [`excavation-stealer']
I'm not certain about the reference to Amna:s, but I think it may be the equivalent of the devil (Satan, Kezon) in Cuezi belief (Z can correct me on this).zompist wrote:Fair enough, tho' once the basic similarities are there (short stature, mountain homes, love of making things, long lives) it's hard to escape Durin's shadow. There's some stories about the elcari in the Count of Years; you can judge more how they turned out from that...Glenn Kempf wrote:2. The repeatedly-discussed word ebdunmak ("excavation-stealer") is glossed as "troll." What kind of critter is this? An actual creature, a mythological being, or a metaphorical expression? It hasn't been listed among the Thinking Kinds, to be sure, but the word "troll" calls up a wide range of associations (as, to be sure, does "dwarf"--depite a number of well-thought-out differences the elcari turned out to be a bit more dwarvish than I had expected (especially the drinking part)).
Speaking of the Count of Years, it also tells about the trolls-- briefly, they were an attempt of Amna:s to counter the humans. They were nearly eliminated, but a few still survive in hidden places, where they can still harrass a protagonist or two.
Does this help answer the question?
p@,
Glenn
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2002 12:50 am
I'm pretty sure I answered this question fairly recently... anyway, the trolls appear in the Count of Years, but it's said that most of them were killed. There are a lot of unexplored nooks and crannies on the planet, however...
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2002 3:25 pm
BUt in the Descend of the Les, uh... Lesuasi was it? the name escapes me. But anyway, in that dopcument it says that their existence is questionable. Why does it sya that if the Elcari at least know that they exist?
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2002 4:39 pm
It's more that they don't know that they don't exist. As with the Giants, there are legends about times when they flourished, and stories about random encounters since, but nothing about their final destruction.Jaaaaaa wrote:BUt in the Descend of the Les, uh... Lesuasi was it? the name escapes me. But anyway, in that dopcument it says that their existence is questionable. Why does it sya that if the Elcari at least know that they exist?
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2002 4:56 pm
Um... I don;t exactly udnerstand this sentence. (I've been eating a ton of candy, so I'm a bit sick)zompist wrote:It's more that they don't know that they don't exist.
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2002 5:23 pm
I believe it means that they think that the trolls exist, but they've never seen them.
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2002 6:57 pm
Ah, I see.