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Zomp, in your world Ii think you once said something about not having the omniscient 3rd person point of view. Is this true? Or is my memory on the frits again?

I was wondering, because are the religons true? What I mean by this is, everything in the count of years is tru right or is it myth like all religon?

You're right-- I don't know the absolute truth. (For now, in fact, I don't even have access to iliu records. Damn difficult language, Eteodaole...)

Certainly, however, not all the religions are true, because they contradict each other. The Count of Years is the best of the known early sources, but is probably less reliable the earlier you go.

Grey wrote: I was wondering, because are the religons true? What I mean by this is, everything in the count of years is tru right or is it myth like all religon?

Some peopel might be offended that you stated all religion to be myth. theres no way to prove that religion it true or untrue. anyones quess is as good as the other. And i know many people believe in their faith deeply, and wold be offended if they heard their religion was just myth.

And to put it bluntly, I don't care. People can take whatever I saw however they want. Personally I am spiritual.. but there is no one religon I believe in.

Also, it would have been quite awkward to ask if Almea is governed by the laws of Christianity or any other Terran religion.

Hexalthermian wrote: Some peopel might be offended that you stated all religion to be myth. theres no way to prove that religion it true or untrue. anyones quess is as good as the other. And i know many people believe in their faith deeply, and wold be offended if they heard their religion was just myth.

Are we becoming so picky as a race (humanity) that some of us now feel the need to state things like this?

I guess "opinion" means nothing to some folks anymore. I guess if you don't agree with someone, you have to be "reminded" by those in the "know" about how you might be "offending" someone because you don't happen to agree with them.

BULL

Grow up, Hexalthermian. Nobody needs to be reminded how they might be offending someone. Why can't we all just accept that not everyone will believe the same thing about anything? Isn't that what being human is all about?

Oh, and some people might be offended that I don't believe the way they do about this. My God, you mean I could offend someone by having a DIFFERENT OPINION????

yeesh

Thank you Samisto,
I too believe strongly in this topic. People should be able to say whatever they damn well please, free speach, and when someone opens there mouth at least one person is usually offended.

Some peopel might be offended that you stated all religion to be myth. theres no way to prove that religion it true or untrue. anyones quess is as good as the other. And i know many people believe in their faith deeply, and wold be offended if they heard their religion was just myth.

If anyone is offended at hearing his faith called myth, it's because the meaning of myth has been debased. It's come to mean something like "the false, rambling and impossible stories of primitive people." But this isn't what it means to me; nor what it should mean.

jburke wrote:

Some peopel might be offended that you stated all religion to be myth. theres no way to prove that religion it true or untrue. anyones quess is as good as the other. And i know many people believe in their faith deeply, and wold be offended if they heard their religion was just myth.

If anyone is offended at hearing his faith called myth, it's because the meaning of myth has been debased. It's come to mean something like "the false, rambling and impossible stories of primitive people." But this isn't what it means to me; nor what it should mean.

Very true, jburke. I myself use myth in a similar way.

But it's always advisable to have an eye to how something is likely to be interpreted. After all, it's not only up to the speaker's *intention* as to how something is interpreted, it's also up to the listener's *perception*, and that's something that the listener has limited control over.

To Grey: sure, it's opinion, and in my view, as I say, myth on its on should not cause significant offence. But in that context, "all myth like religion" can be a provocative statement.

Imagine if I or someone else asked "Are all Almeans (and people on this board who question religion) going to burn in hell like the infidels they are?"

That would be an expression of opinion (not mine btw), but I don't think that'd be likely not to offend people.

So Haleza Grise wrote:Imagine if I or someone else asked "Are all Almeans (and people on this board who question religion) going to burn in hell like the infidels they are?"

That would be an expression of opinion (not mine btw), but I don't think that'd be likely not to offend people.

Especially those Almeans...

well, personally I think that everyone is over-reacting about a simple statement, but since the actual topic for this thread has been pushed off a cliff, there's not much point of trying to haul it back up.

But PERSON-A said to grow up, people have their own opinions, deal with it, because PERSON-B said that PERSON-C may have offended someone by saying all religions are myth (Jburke's point taken, but everyone seems to consider a the word myth to mean fictional or false).

Well, then if I said that Christianity was the only true religion and that everyone else would burn in hell, and a Aethiest, Buddhist, Muslim, Jew, or whatever other religion/non-religion (heh) said something of the sort as PERSON-B, then would you still tell them to grow up, who cares? Especially if yourself was offended by it.

Most PERON-Bs would be people that agree with the supposed-offending comment.

Did that make any sense at all, or was I just rambling? Probably the latter....

DarkFantasy wrote:.... (Jburke's point taken, but everyone seems to consider a the word myth to mean fictional or false)....

It doesn't, but in the case, the author was stating myth as opposed to "tru[th]". They were two options, and there was a clear "or" between them; so he was essentially saying that myth (and by extension "all religion") is not "tru[e]".

Reviving an old thread...

Zomp, how do Almaeans react to Revalation? After all, that's a pretty scary view of the Apocalypse.

And, is there a sort of Hell that Eledh?t can preach about? If so, do they also reason that that is where Eca?as is chained?

Drydic_guy wrote:Zomp, how do Almaeans react to Revalation? After all, that's a pretty scary view of the Apocalypse.

And, is there a sort of Hell that Eledh?t can preach about? If so, do they also reason that that is where Eca?as is chained?

Hmm, interesting questions. The Cuzeians believed that one day Ye? would sound her horn, which would end the world. It would then be re-created, more complex and beautiful than ever, with the Second Spirits more glorious than the First.

They didn't really have an idea of hell; sometimes they talked about the destruction of rebellious souls, but this was seen as a final act, rather than eternal punishment.

Among the Arashei (the believers in I?inos after the fall of Cuzei), there was more belief in a persisting hell-- perhaps because mere destruction did not seem enough punishment for those who had destroyed their nation and persecuted its people.

The Eledhi take Revelation (the Dekashi Ihanon) as more or less reinforcing these views. Some accept the idea of eternal punishment; some don't.

In the east (Av?la and Kebri), the Eledhi are more interested in the Books of Iesu and Mihel, and view Arash?t as simply an interesting precursor; in the E?rdur valley they are more faithful to Arashei traditions and view the arrival of the Elenicoi as simply a new manifestation of Eledh. It's only in the center (mostly Verduria) that people have seriously tried to reconcile both faiths and work out correspondences. There, many have posited that Eca?as is Satan-- that he worked evil on earth either from his rocky prison, or that he escaped to do so. (Again, there's a tradition that Eca?as escaped when Cuzei fell; it seemed that only a cosmic catastrophe could explain such an earthly one.)

Hexalthermian wrote:Some peopel might be offended that you stated all religion to be myth. theres no way to prove that religion it true or untrue.

Actually, the Greek word muthos means/meant "something that can be proven neither true nor false".

Hmmm, interestingly.

If anyone told me that my religion is myth, I'd just laugh. I wouldn't be offended. That's the person's opinion, let them think it if they want. As long as they don't impress the opinion on others, I have no problem with it.