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The Science behind the Zone of Fire

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:36 pm
by Yiuel Raumbesrairc
This is not a question thread, I think that there already has been a thread questionning this climatic or geologic anomaly.

But, I have found something very interesting.

[quote=]Many researchers, but not a real consensus, believe that sea temperatures near the equator may have become a bit too warm by the Aptian-Albian,[mid-Cretaceous], perhaps actually incompatible with ocean life. In addition, some data suggest that land areas near the equator were not jungle- or forest-covered, that plant diversity was low, and that these regions were arid despite being close to the sea. Deep ocean circulation may also have broken down. That is, water continued to circulate horizontally, but not vertically. The deep oceans weren't getting oxygen, and "black shales" appeared in the Aptian-Albian and High Cretaceous. These are large volumes of organic matter in the oceans which never completely decomposed because of lack of deep ocean oxygen. Still, the north-south temperature gradient remained very flat. [/quote]

I was reading this while looking for something about oxygen levels in the mesozoic. When I came by it, I automatically thought about the Zone of Fire, and that Mark might be interested in those details.

It's strange how they describ it the same way the zone of fire is. A rather arid zone, and an abiotic ocean. I don't know if it was thought as a region which couldn't be crossed, but at least, we know that it was devoided of life. (And creatures are known to despise places where there is less life, perhaps not crossing regions where there is no life...)

They give no cause for why this might have happened. A mystery on Earth as well. They did not speak of consequences either.

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:47 pm
by Soap
The Earth's magnetic field was weaker during most of the Mesozoic era, which according to many scientists would cause the climate to be warmer. Unlike the carbon dioxide-induced warming that is going on now, which only traps outgoing radiation, the weaker magnetic field would cause more radiation to get in, thus causing higher temperatures everywhere, even in the already-hot tropics. The magnitude of this warming, if it ever actually happened, is anyone's guess, but it is noteworthy that there were apparently no ice ages during the entire Mesozoic even though for much of the time the continents were in the perfect positions to trigger a long and very cold glacial period.

Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:50 pm
by Debegduk ing Debegduked
Fascinating! I believe M.A.R. Barker's Tekumel incorporates a similarly uninhabitable equatorial region. To think that it might have existed here on Earth after all...

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:49 pm
by boomajoom
I remember reading in "The Dream of Scipio" of something similar to this. Is this where zompist got the idea?

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:22 am
by Mornche Geddick
He could have got the idea from The Discarded Image. In mediaeval times educated people believed the equator was too hot to sustain life. The fact that there was a huge burning desert just south of Egypt and Morocco probably looked like proof.

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:28 pm
by zompist
Thanks for the info, Yiuel. Interesting to know that there could have been an analogue to the Zone of Fire on earth. I wouldn't rule out intervention by the Powers...

Now I may have to add something weirder to Almea. :)

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:01 am
by Blackhand
A voclano that spews cold water.

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:09 pm
by Kuh-five
blackhand wrote:A voclano that spews cold water.
I've heard of ice volcanoes (on one of Jupiter's moons) but not water volcanoes. That's called a fountain. :wink:

Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:32 pm
by ghur
Feijuada wrote:
blackhand wrote:A voclano that spews cold water.
I've heard of ice volcanoes (on one of Jupiter's moons) but not water volcanoes. That's called a fountain. :wink:
Actually I think it's a moon of neptune.

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:27 am
by Drydic
Feijuada wrote:
blackhand wrote:A voclano that spews cold water.
I've heard of ice volcanoes (on one of Jupiter's moons) but not water volcanoes. That's called a fountain. :wink:
How many natural fountains have you heard of, aside from seaside blowholes?

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:20 am
by Curlyjimsam
Darth Drydic wrote:
Feijuada wrote:
Blackhand wrote:A volcano that spews cold water.
I've heard of ice volcanoes (on one of Jupiter's moons) but not water volcanoes. That's called a fountain. :wink:
How many natural fountains have you heard of, aside from seaside blowholes?
Well, there're geysers, aren't there, except they're hot water rather than cold.

Um.

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:14 am
by Drydic
Exactly. It's the cold part that makes it whacked.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:24 pm
by Neek
Lest of course there are temperature differences, say if the pressure of the water below the ice crust was far below freezing and the warm current is only slightly above freezing...

(This is a model of a moon in one of my conworlds, which interestingly enough has an impure uranium core covered in ice. Don't ask me how it got there!)

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 12:06 pm
by Iridium
Technically speaking a volcano is basically anything that spews out "molten" material that then later cools and if it was liquid, would be solidifying. So here on Earth our volcanoes spit out molten material, ash, gases, and rock fragments - while on Io it molten sulphur, and on Triton it's molten nitrogen. :P

As for the "zone of fire" I thought it was definately one interesting aspect of Zomp's conworld since I found the site a few years ago.