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Shrifom dy so? uest? tenu zhoc ortom, iy so? Ellenikoi--dec ortom tenu!

So we got that point settled, so my question is this: Did any of the original Ellenikoi intermarry into the native population, if so, are features of the Ellenikoi carried onto the next generations--the ten toes, a penis that has a glans, certain ethnic features, &c. And are there still pure Ellenikoi left? Are they considered any different from your average uesti?

Nikolai wrote:Did any of the original Ellenikoi intermarry into the native population, if so, are features of the Ellenikoi carried onto the next generations

I think Zomp has mentioned somewhere that the Elenikoi aren't interfertile with Almean humans. I can't recollect exactly where, though.

I'm also intrigued by what their status as a minority community would be as time goes on. They're really not just a religious or racial minority in the familiar sense -- it would seem they're effectively a whole new Thinking Kind, albeit much more similar to the Almean human norm.

Right, they're not interfertile with Almeans. Interplanetary breeding only works on Star Trek...

Many of them did marry, and adopt children; for some time these adoptive families were important in the new Directorate and in the Avelan Church.

zompist wrote:Right, they're not interfertile with Almeans. Interplanetary breeding only works on Star Trek...

Many of them did marry, and adopt children; for some time these adoptive families were important in the new Directorate and in the Avelan Church.

What about their status as a Thinking Kind? Were they just considered 'normal' Almean humans, just with a few slight differences and the inability to interbreed?

Both sides' initial reactions was that they had encountered a funny-looking new race of humans. To make a long story short, their supporters ended up deciding that they were "humans, but from another planet"; their enemies amused themselves by suggesting that they were some sort of alien monster. Their immediate enemies were the Kebreni occupiers, who were tossed out; but the "monster" meme has surfaced now and then among conservative pagans. The opposition to the Eledhe dynasty, for instance, liked to talk about the Eledhi as having been founded by an alien race, perhaps akin to the murtani. But even this sort of thing has died down by now.

(I say "funny-looking", by the way, because my intent is that Almeans look at least as different from white terrestrial humans as a separate race does. And though different races can come to appreciate each others' beauty, on initial contact they're likely to find each other ugly.)

Nikolai wrote: a penis that has a glans,

That feature must have confused the local doctors. Did any famous doctor discuss it in their anatomy treatises? What sort of name did they give the glans? Probably a word based on φαλλος or βαλανος or κρομμυδιον [little onion, which English word I?m sure I read in some historical novel?s sex scene].* Did it cause any confusion or any daft ideas in the study of uesti anatomy? (example here, the idea that the uterus could detach itself and wander all over the body, which was the cause of hysteria)

If you want to pretend I haven?t asked a nudge-nudge-wink-wink question (what?s the word for that kind of question in Verdurian?), then you can expound on the state of medicine in Alm?a, and who was the equivalent of Galen.

Shm Jay
asking silly questions to bring out the local colour in Alm?a for two years

*by the way, when you write your novel, a sex scene is obligatory nowadays, so you had better think up slangy Verdurian or Xurnese or even Viminian words for the naughty bits because the English ones are both boring and embarrassing

*by the way, when you write your novel, a sex scene is obligatory nowadays, so you had better think up slangy Verdurian or Xurnese or even Viminian words for the naughty bits because the English ones are both boring and embarrassing

http://www.zompist.com/thematic.htm#41

Cevlakohn wrote: http://www.zompist.com/thematic.htm#41

I see the Boardlord has thought of everything already.

By the way, what?s a pleron?e? (I?ve never heard of the English term.) Perhaps the definition should be in Verdurian so as not to scandalize people.

Also, going to the ?Secret Verdurian? page, wouldn?t it make more sense for a record to be a laun and a CD to be a launul or an arzhent launul, or maybe even slangily an arzhentul, perhaps because the first ones were so expensive?

(When I get time I will have to learn Verdurian properly.)[/b]

Shm Jay wrote:

Cevlakohn wrote: http://www.zompist.com/thematic.htm#41

I see the Boardlord has thought of everything already.

By the way, what?s a pleron?e? (I?ve never heard of the English term.) Perhaps the definition should be in Verdurian so as not to scandalize people.

PLEASURE DOME:
a place of pleasurable entertainment or recreation : RESORT

Maknas wrote:
PLEASURE DOME:
a place of pleasurable entertainment or recreation : RESORT

Well, why would that be in the slangy sexual terms Does it only refer to the kind of thing Frankie Goes to Hollywood (for those who were teenagers in the 80s like me) would sing about? Or, in other words, you would not talk about going to a pleasure dome if you were just going to play Scrabble or invent conlangs, but you would if the pleasure was ummm... orificy?

Shm Jay wrote:

Maknas wrote:
PLEASURE DOME:
a place of pleasurable entertainment or recreation : RESORT

Well, why would that be in the slangy sexual terms Does it only refer to the kind of thing Frankie Goes to Hollywood (for those who were teenagers in the 80s like me) would sing about? Or, in other words, you would not talk about going to a pleasure dome if you were just going to play Scrabble or invent conlangs, but you would if the pleasure was ummm... orificy?

Extend the idea of "pleasurable entertainment" to, umm, the "slangy sexual terms"


Av,
Maknas

Shm Jay wrote:Also, going to the ?Secret Verdurian? page, wouldn?t it make more sense for a record to be a laun and a CD to be a launul or an arzhent launul, or maybe even slangily an arzhentul, perhaps because the first ones were so expensive?

It could have been done that way, but wasn't. The terrestrial terms were translated from the point of view of the Verdurian ambassadors to Sweden (see the embassy.htm page for why Sweden). That is, they were exposed to the modern world all at once; they haven't been observing year by year.

Your idea about medicine is good, but it'll require research. So I don't have anything for now...