The Wede:i family
The Wede:i family
I am personally tickled by the contrast between
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The language itself has been improved almost as much.
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The language itself has been improved almost as much.
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*drools*
This'll take me a while to read through - I've never read the previous wede:i grammar, but anything coming from Mark rosenfelder has got to be good, ne?
EDIT: and you put Jeerio up! Even better! Oh, and what does 'inexorable' mean?
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This'll take me a while to read through - I've never read the previous wede:i grammar, but anything coming from Mark rosenfelder has got to be good, ne?
EDIT: and you put Jeerio up! Even better! Oh, and what does 'inexorable' mean?
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Nicely done. i was surprised that you brought jeori "back" into existance. i thought it was long forgotten, but its nice to see a ressurection taking place. however, i never did managed to compitently get my head around wede:i, perhaps i'd get it this time. and the new map looks amazing, its good to see some deatail is begining to shift to the south (i want more skouras though *hint*)
And jeerio, thats just soo twee. those pictures make it seem so sweet it is great. the story is really fun as well. i wish i could have wrote like that when i was 11.
Great job there, niice way to opent the new year
And jeerio, thats just soo twee. those pictures make it seem so sweet it is great. the story is really fun as well. i wish i could have wrote like that when i was 11.
Great job there, niice way to opent the new year
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The Wede:i family
Great stuff, I particularly like how odd the interlinear translations sound. A couple of questions about Wede:i:
How do you prounounce "j"?
There are a few medial clusters like kz' and kg. Are they pronounced as written or is there assimilation to gz' and gg?
How do you prounounce "j"?
There are a few medial clusters like kz' and kg. Are they pronounced as written or is there assimilation to gz' and gg?
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1. Uncertain, actually. From the modern languages we would reconstruct /dZ/ (like English j), though the exact manner of articulation is debatable. Axunashin <b>j</b> however seems to have been a fricative /J/, the voiced version of /?/, and this may be influenced by Wede:i.Gareth wrote:A couple of questions about Wede:i:
How do you prounounce "j"?
There are a few medial clusters like kz' and kg. Are they pronounced as written or is there assimilation to gz' and gg?
2. In the east, these eventually assimilated to gz / gg, but in Jeori it assimilated the other way, to ks / kk.
I'm not quite sure what you mean. It's just 733 pixels wide; surely you don't have some sort of archaic retrocomputing device that can't handle that? What operating system and browser are you using? Mac IE can handle even a browser window narrower than the map (the text just appears beneath it).Glenn Kempf wrote:...Incidentally, Mark, deeply impressed though I am by your updating of Wedei and its descendants , I have to note that your beautiful map almost entirely obscures the top portion of the text (on my screen, anyway).
It did that to me, too, Glenn. My problem was that I had to change my Screen Area from 800 by 600 pixels to 1024 by768 pixles.
(To do this in Windows, just right click on the desktop and click properties and then click on the Settings tab...then use the little slide bar to adjust the screen size)
And a question: Zomp, aren't those letters such as ng and ? with tilde renderable in Unicode?
(To do this in Windows, just right click on the desktop and click properties and then click on the Settings tab...then use the little slide bar to adjust the screen size)
And a question: Zomp, aren't those letters such as ng and ? with tilde renderable in Unicode?
It worked; thanks! (I'll change it back, however, since the text is now a bit small to read, especially for my parents.)Pentekonter wrote:It did that to me, too, Glenn. My problem was that I had to change my Screen Area from 800 by 600 pixels to 1024 by768 pixles.
(To do this in Windows, just right click on the desktop and click properties and then click on the Settings tab...then use the little slide bar to adjust the screen size)
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800x600?! That's the dark (or more precisely the cramped) ages, man!Pentekonter wrote:It did that to me, too, Glenn. My problem was that I had to change my Screen Area from 800 by 600 pixels to 1024 by768 pixles.
My monitor at home is 1680x1050, but I'm a freak for big screens. For writing or artwork, the more you can see the better.
Yes, if you have a Unicode font that contains them. The problem is that Unicode on IE, the most popular browser, does not degrade nicely. It doesn't replace characters it can't render with something recognizable; it displays a box or a question mark.And a question: Zomp, aren't those letters such as ng and ? with tilde renderable in Unicode?
The page looks very nice. However, everything after the "Numbers" sectoin is bolded. Forget to close a bold tag, Zomp?
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Last night I read over the grammar, and wrote my li'l notes and questions for posting today. These only refer to Wedēi.
Transcription! A:rgh! Why not use acutes or macrons?
Some grammatic errors in the document: referring to Wedēi in both past and present tenses, and a few "is"s where there should have been "are"s.
Does this "fist & fingers" number system mean that when Xengi peasants sign numbers to each other meaning "one more" than to we are used to (i.e. they hold up 2 fingers for 3)?
What differentiates <ii> from <i:>? Is the former /i?i/ whereas the latter /i:/?
I am a bit disappointed at lack of full orthographical information, but it doesn't bother me too much.
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I'd have to say that I agree with Rory on the colons. They just aren't too ?sthetically pleasing. Of course, I don't particularly like macrons, either.
Wede:i Wedeei Wed?i Wed?i Wed?i
Hmmmm
::remembers that it's not his conlang::
I really like the daughter languages. They do a good job capturing the Wede:i flavor while retaining their own neat perks. (Nasalization, ? and ?, tones, muahahah!)
Wede:i Wedeei Wed?i Wed?i Wed?i
Hmmmm
::remembers that it's not his conlang::
I really like the daughter languages. They do a good job capturing the Wede:i flavor while retaining their own neat perks. (Nasalization, ? and ?, tones, muahahah!)
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I believe that this is indeed the case; I've been thinking about similar issues for my Kiarloni people, who use a duodecimal (base 12) number system.Rory wrote:Does this "fist & fingers" number system mean that when Xengi peasants sign numbers to each other meaning "one more" than to we are used to (i.e. they hold up 2 fingers for 3)?
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Sorry, colons are the longstanding practice (8 years) of Wede:iologists.Rory wrote:Transcription! A:rgh! Why not use acutes or macrons?
I purposely use different transcription systems, in imitation of terrestrial linguistics.
I'll look for the errors you mention.
Yes indeed. If you venture into a Xurnese bar and hold up one finger, you'll get two beers.Does this "fist & fingers" number system mean that when Xengi peasants sign numbers to each other meaning "one more" than to we are used to (i.e. they hold up 2 fingers for 3)?
Phonetically, nothing at all. Where you see ii, there's a morpheme boundary in between; e.g. liingokze = li + ing + ok + ze. A long vowel (as in Bi:dau) is always part of a single morpheme.What differentiates <ii> from <i:>? Is the former /i?i/ whereas the latter /i:/?
Do you mean, full details on the logographic writing system? Well, someday I'd like to provide that-- not many people have created a whole one, I think. The full system needs 1095 glyphs, of which I've worked out about 135. (I worked out those needed for all the syllables of Axunashin.)I am a bit disappointed at lack of full orthographical information, but it doesn't bother me too much.
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There appear to be some We:dei cities in Easterner territory; are these trading outposts or something?
Ooh, and while I'm at it, a few more questions:
Do you envision giving Cuolese and Jeori each their own seperate pages in the future?
Jeori is now a dead language, not spoken as a native tongue anywhere, is this correct? Or are there still isolated pockets where it exists?
How widespread is the knowledge of modern Jeori (I suppose I'm really asking a question about the Tasuc Tei education system)? Is it a requirement for any kind of professional life, or can most people, outside of maybe state officials and bureaucrats, get by without it?
On a morphological/syntatic note, it was perhaps surprising to see that both We:dei descendent branches maintained both their accusative and dative cases under pressure from Xurnese, which, as I understand it, has a pragmatics-based case system. Does the "free word order" rule from We:dei still apply? Is topicalisation used as a word order feature?
Ooh, and while I'm at it, a few more questions:
Do you envision giving Cuolese and Jeori each their own seperate pages in the future?
Jeori is now a dead language, not spoken as a native tongue anywhere, is this correct? Or are there still isolated pockets where it exists?
How widespread is the knowledge of modern Jeori (I suppose I'm really asking a question about the Tasuc Tei education system)? Is it a requirement for any kind of professional life, or can most people, outside of maybe state officials and bureaucrats, get by without it?
On a morphological/syntatic note, it was perhaps surprising to see that both We:dei descendent branches maintained both their accusative and dative cases under pressure from Xurnese, which, as I understand it, has a pragmatics-based case system. Does the "free word order" rule from We:dei still apply? Is topicalisation used as a word order feature?