Origin of the name "Cadhinas"

con quesa · Post by **con quesa** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:34 am

Zomp's stated in a few places that a lot of the names of various Central peoples, the Cadhinorians included, come from Proto-Eastern *kaduns, "river fork". But the Cadhinorian reflex of *kaduns would have to be something like *Cadhenos. So what's up with that?

Ketsuban · Post by **Ketsuban** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:09 am

Could this have something to do with the vowel harmony from Proto-Eastern to Cadhinorian?

Post by **zompist** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:52 am

It's a bit of a mystery. The dh has to come from a following *u or *w, but both Cadhinas and Kahinisa point to a front vowel.

Gremlins · Post by **Gremlins** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:02 pm

Perhaps it's some derogatory Monkhayu thing, which the Cadhinorians took for themselves?

Ketsuban · Post by **Ketsuban** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:09 pm

zompist wrote:The dh has to come from a following *u or *w, but both Cadhinas and Kahinisa point to a front vowel.

How about *kadwins?

con quesa · Post by **con quesa** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:47 pm

Ketsuban wrote:Could this have something to do with the vowel harmony from Proto-Eastern to Cadhinorian?

That's what I thought at first, but that would turn the /u/ into an /e/ or /o/, not an /a/. And it wouldn't explain why the word ends in -as instead of *-os. Maybe the -as comes from Cuezi influence?

Cedh · Post by **Cedh** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:14 am

With the sound change list given on the Proto-Eastern page, I get the following:

*kadwins > caďuenos
*kadwīns > ceďuinnos
*kādwīns > caďuinnos

*kadwens > caďuenos
*kadwēns > caďuennos
*kādwēns > caďuennos

*kaduns > caďonos
*kadūns > coďunnos
*kādūns > caďunnos

I'd say *kādwīns is the most likely of these, but it still needs some additional changes to become caďinas.

Vihlo · Post by **Vihlo** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:44 am

perhaps the modern word is descended from a borrowing from another dialect?