zompist bboard

So I figure it's about time we start having fun application with some of Mark's langs, and I was thinking we just up and start having convos in one of the Almean tongues. Since we do have two members already learning it, why not Ismahi?

Ozi, ce vił espregn Isma?n?

Meli ile. Olas? ezn suzize; mu?e loji lysi...

Te iz&ocirc ebez&ecirc m&ocircndn se suzizeze.

(To use an English idiom, and taking 'iz&ocirc' as an adverb describing where the work is happening.)

--Neon Fox

This'll be fun, I'm in!

Neon Fox wrote:Te iz? ebez? m?ndn se suzizeze

Si e s iru zi dejela es.

Ghost

Ile pro zumec:

Mih vulede ?vulr Isma?n nyne-- cete mih espageme?

(Or resti, if you're not into nyna.)

zompist wrote:Ile pro zumec:

Mih vulede ?vulr Isma?n nyne-- cete mih espageme?

(Or resti, if you're not into nyna.)

Abelema su lolr, sic mih . R se logr espage ?volr. Si vil espagn ?vulr, e?u? Se escrivo sic ?volr en nyne.

Lela loji zi sic yza telndn ? logrn. Sic lela s? rzi ? se z?nic, zumo. 'S' e en loge? 'Iru'? 'Abelema'?

--Neon Fox

So Haleza Grise wrote:

zompist wrote:Ile pro zumec:

Mih vulede ?vulr Isma?n nyne-- cete mih espageme?

(Or resti, if you're not into nyna.)

Abelema su lolr, sic mih . R se logr espage ?volr. Si vil espagn ?vulr, e?u? Se escrivo sic ?volr en nyne.

Se pone ?ri, se ebeza k?maltrn mi losr loji.

Neon Fox wrote:Lela loji zi sic yza telndn ? logrn. Sic lela s? rzi ? se z?nic, zumo. 'S' e en loge? 'Iru'? 'Abelema'?

--Neon Fox

Se becomes S before a noun. Iru is the plural for Iri. Abelema is the present conditional for Abeln.

Cenre e Whimemsz? Si vule espage Isma?n.

Ghost

&Ccedililr&ecirc logrn luzn azi Englisn &icirc Isma&icircn! Yza manudn.

--Neon Lubeh
(Zompist, cedyli espaga 'Neon', losr ajelen?)

Neon Fox wrote:?ilr? logrn luzn azi Englisn ? Isma?n! Yza manudn.

Just use the 'Find' button. Works for me

(Zompist, cedyli espaga 'Neon', losr ajelen?)

What about azre selede (blue light). Or is neon red?

F?te

Ghost wrote:

Neon Fox wrote:?ilr? logrn luzn azi Englisn ? Isma?n! Yza manudn.

Just use the 'Find' button. Works for me

It's a pain in the neck when I want a common word, that's all.

(Zompist, cedyli espaga 'Neon', losr ajelen?)

What about azre selede (blue light). Or is neon red? :oops:

F?te :)

Depends. In general useage, 'neon' is any one of a number of colored lights made by passing an electric spark through excitable gases. I believe the original gas used was neon, hence the name. Other gases make other colors, but are still often called neon. I don't want a specific color; I want the glow-in-the-dark broader sense of neon, like pointing to a road-worker's outfit and calling it 'neon orange'.

--Neon Fox

Ghost wrote:Cenre e Whimemsz? Si vule espage Isma?n.

Ghost

Be patient, Ghost. I must work my way through the grammar, until I know it all, before I shall attempt to construct sentences in Isma?n.

Cyłpi,

Whimemsz

So Haleza Grise wrote:Abelema su lolr, sic mih . R se logr espage ?volr. Si vil espagn ?vulr, e?u? Se escrivo sic ?volr en nyne.

E ml loge ? z?nicn... ?volr telnde zes hube 'Derivational Morphology'. Se logre e miril. Lasa ?mirilr tode.

(Hmm...I'm tempted to propose that for this thread we use capitals in place of underlines.)

Neon Fox wrote:(Zompist, cedyli espaga 'Neon', losr ajelen?)

E en toce cete s'ismahni n?c escrivn sic.

Lolr yze e?ilr ogonic, e?u?

(BTW, if this thread continues to be popular, I may well provide an English-to-Isma?n lexicon.)

zompist wrote:(BTW, if this thread continues to be popular, I may well provide an English-to-Isma?n lexicon.)

w00t! Or should I say, eziste!

Ete e e?ilr brugn isma?n. ?lase miril sic.

Ogonic luze ezn meli, Zompist. Melnida.

E loge espagn "to learn"?

--Ogonic Lubeh

Zumo zi 'to learn' este ?nescrivec-z?. (C'e*, 'to cause onself to know + infintive.)

*how is pronounciation in this respect? I know that in the sound changes, c ? before front vowels, is this found in such contractions? Or do such contractions not naturally happen?

I am not even going to try putting this is Isma?n just at the moment.

When forming verbs from nouns or adjectives that don't end in any of the usual three letters, is there a favored ending? For example, if I wanted to affix ? to zis 'wicked' to form a verb meaning 'corrupt', should the final form be ?zisec, ?zisn, ?zisr, or something else entirely?

--Ogonic Lubeh

Nikolai wrote:*how is pronounciation in this respect? I know that in the sound changes, c ? before front vowels, is this found in such contractions? Or do such contractions not naturally happen?

The sound changes are historical, so they wouldn't apply to a contraction.

Neon Fox wrote:When forming verbs from nouns or adjectives that don't end in any of the usual three letters, is there a favored ending? For example, if I wanted to affix ? to zis 'wicked' to form a verb meaning 'corrupt', should the final form be ?zisec, ?zisn, ?zisr, or something else entirely?

As a rule of thumb: if the adjective ends in -i, use -r, otherwise -n. So in this case, ?zisn.

zompist wrote:Mih vulede ?vulr Isma?n nyne-- cete mih espageme?

Emei nyne--lolr vił sadrn se mrine? E boze r si esprage zes "Kure nezi" ko sin.

Belri, lom? luzn telndn ? es z?nic leve logre Englases Isma?ndn.

Ceze e&ccedilili espagn &ecirczin leve honi, fl tenec sizy espagn!

--Ogonic Lubeh

Neon Fox wrote:Ceze e?ili espagn ?zin leve honi, fl tenec sizy espagn!

Meligi... espageme ede losr jensen*... eskoli brazu ilizi surzi lolr tene?

* had to invent jense for 'family'.