Possible additions to Secret Dictionary of Verdurian

[Fruithat]

What are some words that could be in the Secret Dictionary of Verdurian but aren't?

Here are some words that could be added as loanwords:

teen, adolescent
headphones
yogurt
baseball
tennis
Buddhist

[Yiuel Raumbesrairc]

What are some words that could be in the Secret Dictionary of Verdurian bot aren't?

Here are some words that could be added as loanwords:

teen, adolescent
headphones
yogurt
baseball
tennis
Buddhist

If there was any word for "teen", we might get it from "young individuals".

And for Buddhism, "Budhat". (like Irreanat and Eledhat)

[Neek]

What are some words that could be in the Secret Dictionary of Verdurian bot aren't?

Here are some words that could be added as loanwords:

teen, adolescent - You could use frälina for a teenage girl, or suleom for both.
headphones - acinošul, the tiny hearing device, or you could use a Swedish derivative, Hölur.
yogurt - Yogurt!
baseball - Baďpila or Snocupila (hit ball or club ball, as opposed to boďpila, kick-ball). The Swedish loan would be Bäsboll, possibly.
tennis - Gečëpila, net-ball. Same as baseball. Or, Tennis.
Buddhist - Buddilo (The geminate would be used; Buddhism'd definitely be Buddát).

[Barvitex]

Since Verdurian uses -át to form names of religions from main god or founders, I am inclined to ask what is Verdurian for Jippirasti?

Jippirát or Baburát seem likely. Maybe Baburát is an abusive term like our Mohammedan for Muslim

[Yiuel Raumbesrairc]

Since Verdurian uses -át to form names of religions from main god or founders, I am inclined to ask what is Verdurian for Jippirasti?

Jippirát or Baburát seem likely. Maybe Baburát is an abusive term like our Mohammedan for Muslim

Judging from Eledhat, I guess it would be Jippirat. Irreanat seems an exceptional case where the founder is used.

[zompist]

In fact it's Corunát, adjective corun, which derives from Kurundasti and refers to the dynasty, to Jippirasti, or to the Tzhuro.

[Fruithat]

Neek, you have some great ideas. We'll probably just use the Swedish cognate of "yogurt" for "yogurt".

Zompist, are you planning to update the vocabulary any time soon?

[zompist]

Yes, so if other words are missing feel free to suggest 'em...

[Neek]

In this thread, I coined two words:

Kešarastana, military term for quartermaster, the part of a military force that supports its soldiers with clothing, food, and supply. A quartermaster soldier is a kešarastcot.

Tombfel is a parachute, literally means a falling-sail. To parachute is tombfelec (to sail falling).

[Fruithat]

Some more:

TRANSPORTATION
helicopter
motorcycle
skateboard
submarine
van

TECHNOLOGY
calculator
cellphone
insecticide

CLOTHES
boxer shorts
cargo pants
halter top
headscarf
khakis
knit cap
polo shirt
shorts
tank top
tennis shoes
turtleneck
visor
tattoo
braces (dental)

SPORTS
bowling

MUSIC
jazz
punk
rap/hip-hop
reggae

HEALTH
Ecstasy
LSD
meth(amphetamine)
syringe

FOOD
burrito
caramel
chili
cupcake
doughnut
French dries
granola
iced tea
lasagna
lemonade
licorice
macaroni
marshmallow
popcorn
pretzel
quiche
ravioli
smoothie
spaghetti

THOUGHT SYSTEMS
anarchist

PLACE NAMES
Australia
Canada
Cuba
Indonesia
Iraq
Ireland
Lebanon
Los Angeles
Mexico
Philippines
Vietnam

[Fruithat]

Since you said you were going to update the dictionary, I might as well list these words now before the update is completed. Some words for your main dictionary:

unlike
someday
simultaneously
allegedly
thereof
liable
original
to break down (analyze)
to break down (emotionally fall apart)
to put off, to postpone
to arrest
to associate
to show off
to struggle
ingredient
traffic
concept
phenomenon
detail
reverse
equipment
relationship
transportation
treatment
beige
plaid
striped
medical
temperature
circus
interview
operation
industry
fine (to pay)
change (money back)
to find (I find it offensive/difficult/boring)
to get along
to have a problem with
to figure out
to apologize
to tap on the shoulder
to crouch
to squat
to slit
to pass out
to burp
to belch
to hiccough
to defecate
decade
millennium
angle
fabric
post office (Secret Dictionary?)
zoo
intersection
suitcase
cupboard
crayon
crutch
handsome
build (body type)
bleach
ponytail
hazel
freckles
dimple
scar
to itch
to meditate
I am 55 years old.
to graduate
to drop out
to promote
to break up (with a boyfriend/girlfriend)
to have (a baby)
to amaze
to shock
to break one's heart
moody
old-fashioned
outgoing
chick (baby bird)
widow
fetus
toddler
dentist (Secret Dictionary?)
pilot
player
burgundy
rectangle
oval
coffeeshop
stadium
bar (of music)
chord
bolt
nut (for bolt)
ramp
wedge
wrench
lance
harmonica
harp
comforter
flipper
eyelid
septum
index finger
middle finger
ring finger
pinky
scrotum
urethral opening
spleen
esophagus
trachea
pancreas
phlegm
part (in hair)
rabies
welt
to wean
to teethe
to enroll
seaweed
kelp
coconut (a tropical fruit-nut, perhaps)
pineapple (a tropical fruit with a thick, hard skin)
pomegranate (Can you make an Almean fruit that is full o seeds?)
celery (fibrous, crunchy vegetable)
soybean (vegetable that produces soy sauce)
spinach (leafy vegetable)
almond (nut useful for confection)
ginger (spicy root vegetable)
sesame (plant that produces lots of small edible seeds)
wormwood (plant that produces awful-tasting liquid)
hibiscus (tropical flower)
iris
lily (cone-shaped flower with tall stem)
lotus (water flower)
morning glory (flower that produces drug)
orchid (six-petaled flower)
sunflower (yellow flower with edible seeds)
violet (purple flower)
palm (tree with fern-like leaves found in tropical, desert and chaparral regions)
poison oak (plant that induces itching)
jellyfish
starfish
sea urchin
oyster
scallop
squid
shrimp or prawn
scorpion
dragonfly
praying mantis
termite
louse
beetle
ladybug
caterpillar
cocoon
chrysalis
silkworm
wasp
carp (ornamental paž)
seahorse (paž with horse-like shape)
chameleon (cäh able to change color)
cobra (deadly siďďi with flaps)
python (long siďďi)
penguin (uazo from icy regions)
peafowl (uazo with ornamental tail)
stork (water uazo with long legs)
flamingo (pink crustacean-eating uazo)
pelican (uazo with voluminous beak)
swallow (uazo with edible tongue)
woodpecker (uazo that makes holes in trees)
hummingbird (very small, fast-flying uazo)
kangaroo (šomulo with pouch)
gopher (ground-dwelling rislitno)
zebra (striped herbivorous šomulo of medium size)
rhinoceros (large herbivorous šomulo with thick skin and horns)
giraffe (long-necked šomulo from savannah regions)
puppy (baby cuon)
otter (sea-dwelling šomulo that uses tools)
skunk (šomulo with scent)
dolphin and whale (Do they have an equivalent of cetaceans?)
dinosaur (Do they know aboot prehistoric creatures yet?)
bartender
bricklayer
dancer
songwriter
star (celebrity)

[zompist]

Thanks, Xeroderma, that's an interesting challenge.

[GreenBowTie]

It would be nice to get a list of the U.S. states in Verdurian. I could totally make a map from it.

And would San Diego just be "San Diego" or "San Dëgo" or something?

[Barvitex]

Would San Diego just be "San Diego" or "San Dëgo" or something?

Probably San Dëgo, since the /e/ is stressed. Or maybe the first part would be replaced with Verdurian word for "saint" - nëron. New Mexico would be Lebe Mécsico, etc.

[zompist]

It would be nice to get a list of the U.S. states in Verdurian. I could totally make a map from it.

And would San Diego just be "San Diego" or "San Dëgo" or something?

Here you go: http://www.almeopedia.com/index.php?tit ... %C3%A9rice

This reflects the Verdurian attitude that disdains foreign alphabets. Thus, it's not at all intended as a transliteration, which wouldn't be very interesting anyway.

English vowels are a problem. I decided that the Verdurians would find it unacceptable to represent /{/ as <a> and would use <e> instead. On the other hand these don't make use of scholarly resources such as diacritics that aren't normally used in Verdurian. Verdurian does have î but its phonotactics normally prohibit it except in a final CV syllable, so I avoided it.

I decided not to translate "saint", on the assumption that the compilers didn't know English very well.

[Fruithat]

http://zompist.wordpress.com/2011/02/22 ... -lexicons/


Great job, Zompist!

[Fruithat]

Zompist, are you going to update the Secret Dictionary of Verdurian anytime soon?

[Drydic]

http://zompist.wordpress.com/2013/01/20/parents-update/

Man's got a lot going on.

[Fruithat]

Oh no, how terrible. Reading that made me sick to my stomach. I feel ill now after reading this. I can only imagine how much worse Mark must be feeling.

BTW, I also read his January 17 entry. I'm glad he was able to spend some time with his parents. I'm going to start buying Mark Rosenfelder books.

[Fruithat]

I just had an idea today: How about a section of your Secret Dictionary of Verdurian for animal and plant species without an Almean equivalent? You already have "monkey" and "tomato" in your foods section; you could also add "pomegranate", "orchid" and similar Terran plant names; or, since Verduria doesn't have primates, "orangutan", "gorilla" and "chimpanzee". Or words like "zebra" and "kangaroo" from the list above. It would also be possible to fork off Clothes, Music and Sports from the Lifestyle section as these categories grow.

[Fruithat]

On Monday, January 21, 2013:
Zompist, are you going to update the Secret Dictionary of Verdurian anytime soon?

Well, it's been one year now. A good time to dust off the list and possibly the "numbers in 5,020 languages" page.

http://zompist.wordpress.com/2013/01/20/parents-update/

Man's got a lot going on.

http://zompist.wordpress.com/2014/01/

And of course I recognize that pic! Never would have guessed it was Zomp's dad.

(Tie in to:

I'm going to start buying Mark Rosenfelder books.

! Yep, I've got this book/)

[So Haleza Grise]

I don't think this is a good way to hassle someone.

[Fruithat]

I don't think this is a good way to hassle someone.

Hassle someone? Naah, I just thought it was a good way to talk with other people about it. Incite up some conversation...not just with Zompist, but with everyone.

[Civil War Bugle]

"Hey man, I'm totally sorry your mom died, but now go do some random thing I want you to do."

--Xeroderma Pigmentosum

That's basically how it comes across to me.

[Fruithat]

"Hey man, I'm totally sorry your mom died, but now go do some random thing I want you to do."

--Xeroderma Pigmentosum

That's basically how it comes across to me.

It may come off as...two-faced, but that's not how I wanted it to. My Asperger's makes it hard for me to tell how other people will react to the things I say. (Yes, we girls can have Asperger's too, although it's only about a quarter or a fifth as common as boys with Asperger's.) And yes, I really am "totally sorry" Mark's mom died, which is why I bought The Conlanger's Lexipedia. After all, if someone who was close to me was in the throes of death, I'd want the financial security to be able to spend my last moments with them.

And I was starting to get impatient for an update. When I first made that list of "Secret Dictionary" additions, it was August 2008. Now it's April 2014. That's long enough a time to bring up the new words again, isn't it?

And I also want to hear from those of you who *aren't* Zompist on this topic. Anyone going to say, "We SO need a word for 'focaccia' on the Food part of the Secret Dictionary!"? Or whatever?