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In Fladish, how are double vowels handled? For example, let's take the city of Ledley: is it /lEdli@/, which I think it is, or /lEdlE@/?
Have you ever considered doing a vowel harmony or consonant mutation language? For that matter, what about an active/stative language?
For Xurnese, it seems like their logographic/syllabary doesn't really fit at all. In a country with newspapers, as seen from the example in the Xurnese grammar, with a high emphasis on scholarship, it seems like the requirements for a printing press would force them to switch to an alphabet. But they haven't.
And finally...what's your position on fanfiction? I know Eddy wrote some stuff that you had to crack down on in the past, so I'm being cautious...

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consonant mutation language
He's done Fáralo, that has consonant mutations.
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For Xurnese, it seems like their logographic/syllabary doesn't really fit at all. In a country with newspapers, as seen from the example in the Xurnese grammar, with a high emphasis on scholarship, it seems like the requirements for a printing press would force them to switch to an alphabet. But they haven't.
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China.

If it isn't enough, I have got a second, more personally relevant one.

Japan.

Printing, even in the modern sense, was invented in China (before Gutenberg). They didn't use free blocks much because most of the texts used original or otherwise rarely used characters, but they already printed on pages properly. But printing certainly isn't limited to alphabets or cousins of it.

Scholarship has been encouraged in China since at least 1500 years. In Japan, it took some time, but still, since at least 300 years, it was also encouraged. There use of a logographic system (even Japan's baroque system involving devices I think any conlanger would find utterly ridiculous) did not impede much.

So yeah. China and Japan. (And Korea, by the way.)
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dhokarena56 wrote:And finally...what's your position on fanfiction? I know Eddy wrote some stuff that you had to crack down on in the past, so I'm being cautious...
Having been in the process of writing two stories set in Almea, I can assure you he doesn't mind stories being set in Almea--the issue arises when you challenge his work, blatantly mess up history, or otherwise practice general fuckery.

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dhokarena56 wrote:In Fladish, how are double vowels handled? For example, let's take the city of Ledley: is it /lEdli@/, which I think it is, or /lEdlE@/?
/lɛd li ə/

For particular language types, I don't really plan out features in advance, just use whatever seems right for the language I'm working on.
And finally...what's your position on fanfiction? I know Eddy wrote some stuff that you had to crack down on in the past, so I'm being cautious...
I'm certainly more accepting if someone seems to understand Almea well. As a general thing, I wouldn't mind people telling stories, but if you get into conworlding (e.g. inventing countries or languages or major social customs), it'd be better just to invent your own world.

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Couple more things...
What's a zompist? Can I subscribe to the philosophy of Zompism?
Would it be likely for two neighboring ktuvok empires to attack each other? I'm thinking of Godulia and Kowon in Curym.

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Daquarious P. McFizzle wrote:Couple more things...
What's a zompist? Can I subscribe to the philosophy of Zompism?
Would it be likely for two neighboring ktuvok empires to attack each other? I'm thinking of Godulia and Kowon in Curym.
Based on what I understand of Ktuvok empires, they fight themselves, which is basically the same thing; they are only really a unified polity for the purposes of contrasting them with neighboring states. I don't see how two separate empires could actually exist in proximity to each other, since it wouldn't be clear that they were independent states at all (an empire is really just a loose amalgamation of rival estates). Or am I reading this wrongly?
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That's about right. Godulia and Kowon are just far enough apart to exist as separate empires (though history is long; they might have fought each other at some time).

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I have a question: In the Uyse?ic article, it says that Uyse? has no fricatives, but the Uyse? page it says that it has the fricatives f s h ħ. Which is it?

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Solarius wrote:I have a question: In the Uyse?ic article, it says that Uyse? has no fricatives, but the Uyse? page it says that it has the fricatives f s h ħ. Which is it?
"Voiced [stops or fricatives]", not "voiced stops [or fricatives]".
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It would also be weird if the language had no unvoiced fricatives, since the language's name is Uyse? :)
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Yiuel wrote:It would also be weird if the language had no unvoiced fricatives, since the language's name is Uyse? :)
Maybe the S would be pronounced weirdly?

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ghur wrote:
Yiuel wrote:It would also be weird if the language had no unvoiced fricatives, since the language's name is Uyse? :)
Maybe the S would be pronounced weirdly?
Except for Xurnese's initial "x", I don't remember any of zompist's usages to be that weird.
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Yiuel wrote:
ghur wrote:
Yiuel wrote:It would also be weird if the language had no unvoiced fricatives, since the language's name is Uyse? :)
Maybe the S would be pronounced weirdly?
Except for Xurnese's initial "x", I don't remember any of zompist's usages to be that weird.
Well, no, but this is a hypothetical universe where Uyse has no fricatives. Maybe in this hypothetical universe, zompist uses very strange spellings.

And English uses word initial x in a pretty similar--if not more bizarre--way to Xurnese. (I assume this is sort of where Zompist's usage in Xurnese came from...) I mean, admittedly, English is written with the latin alphabet natively and has had centuries to embizarren the orthography.

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Why hasn't Erenat developed its own language? Ismahi is closer to Verduria, but it doesn't speak Verdurian.

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Ismaîn proper is the language of the Efrat valley, which is isolated from the sea and has developed in its own way. The speech of the littoral itself is closer to Verdurian, though of course it's influenced by its long domination by the Efrat valley. Érenat is in the littoral zone, thus has remained close to Verdurian.

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