Verdurian more popular than Ilkorin!

Ghost · Post by **Ghost** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 6:52 am

http://www.langmaker.com/db/mdl_pop100_2004.htm

You're catching the professor up, Mark!

Ghost

valinta · Post by **valinta** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 8:21 am

Yea! Is there any way we can vote for these or something?

Speaking of which, I took a look at lexicon sizes listed at langmaker.com, and the only languages listed as having more words than Verdurian were auxlangs like Esperanto and Lojban. Could this mean Verdurian is the most thoroughly developed fictional conlang out of the 1,000+ catalogued at langmaker.com, or maybe even the world? Even Quenya is only listed as having 1600 words. Truly fascinating.

Ghost · Post by **Ghost** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 10:52 am

valinta wrote:Yea! Is there any way we can vote for these or something?

No, it's how often their page is visited.

Ghost

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 10:56 am

Then you mean yes; we can vote for them by visiting the page!

Post by **zompist** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:40 pm

valinta wrote:Speaking of which, I took a look at lexicon sizes listed at langmaker.com, and the only languages listed as having more words than Verdurian were auxlangs like Esperanto and Lojban. Could this mean Verdurian is the most thoroughly developed fictional conlang out of the 1,000+ catalogued at langmaker.com, or maybe even the world? Even Quenya is only listed as having 1600 words. Truly fascinating.

That'd be cool, but you're missing a few on the site, including our own G?bor S?ndi's Tundrian. Yiklamu claims an astonishing 90,000 words. Talossan has an impressive 30,000.

valinta · Post by **valinta** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 9:34 pm

Sorry, my mistake. However, you can probably get first place in something if the category is narrowed a bit

-Largest Vocabulary for a Romance/alternate history language-
1. Talossan
2. Tundrian

-Largest Vocabulary for a from-scratch fictional world conlang-
1. Verdurian

Yay! I might still be wrong but it's not a big deal (as long as I realize the possiblility). One thing I'm definitely doing when I get the time is checking out Tundrian and Talossan; they look really neat. Anyway, I better stop before I unintentionally change the topic of the thread.

hwhatting · Post by **hwhatting** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 6:46 am

valinta wrote:Anyway, I better stop before I unintentionally change the topic of the thread.

No! You can't do that! Never happened before on this board!

(Sorry, couldn't repress that impulse..)

Space Dracula · Post by **Space Dracula** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 4:54 pm

No, it's supposed to be more complex than just page hits.

JH was smarter than to do that... just page hits would lead to bombing.

Drydic · Post by **Drydic** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:08 am

And the problem with that is...

valinta · Post by **valinta** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:32 pm

I always wondered, when they have those pages that measure hits to determine stuff, do they measure hits from unique IP addresses/users or just all hits?

Post by **zompist** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:58 pm

valinta wrote:I always wondered, when they have those pages that measure hits to determine stuff, do they measure hits from unique IP addresses/users or just all hits?

Ah, the mysteries of hits and page counts.

Here, FYI, is what the raw data looks like: a single line from a log file-- a single hit. As you can see, you get the domain that's the source of the request, the time, the item requested, the referring page, and some miscellaneous stuff.

bru-s2.bruessel.goethe.org - - [02/Nov/2002:02:43:05 -0600] "GET /verdurian.htm HTTP/1.0" 304 - "http://www.yourdictionary.com/grammars1.html" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)"

With some thought, you'll see some of the problems in counting hits. You can see multiple hits from the same domain-- so Jeff could pretty easily detect bombing. On the other hand you can't detect cacheing; you have no idea if an ISP is cacheing your page and serving it up to multiple clients.

In short, there's no way to actually detect how many distinct people are viewing your pages. Page hits are a good clue but they're not the same thing.

valinta · Post by **valinta** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:13 pm

That's what I suspected. I used to have a hit counter feature on my website that measured hits and did graphs, and I think it was able to show unique users, but it wasn't perfect.

vlaran of verduria · Post by **vlaran of verduria** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:14 pm

More people visit Valarin than Verdurian? I ould have thought that ismain would have surpassed telerin.

valinta · Post by **valinta** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:17 pm

Generally, Tolkein languages get a huge recognition boost because they have his name attached to them, whether they are fully developed or just barely started.

*This is not intended as a snide or bitter remark, just a statement of fact*

Soap · Post by **Soap** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:36 pm

Robert Jordan's Old Tongue is beating Verdurian 1002 to 759!

I wonder why the numbers are all so much lower this year than they were last year .. is it just because his site has expanded so much?

Ghost · Post by **Ghost** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 6:34 am

Mercator wrote:Robert Jordan's Old Tongue is beating Verdurian 1002 to 759!

*gets angry and breaks a few spinal cords*

Ghost

Post by **zompist** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:07 am

Ghost wrote:
Mercator wrote:Robert Jordan's Old Tongue is beating Verdurian 1002 to 759!
*gets angry and breaks a few spinal cords*

I'd look at it the other way... Verdurian is doing pretty well for a web-based language with no paid publicity, against a multi-bestselling sf author.

Ghost · Post by **Ghost** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:01 pm

zompist wrote:
Ghost wrote:
Mercator wrote:Robert Jordan's Old Tongue is beating Verdurian 1002 to 759!
*gets angry and breaks a few spinal cords*
I'd look at it the other way... Verdurian is doing pretty well for a web-based language with no paid publicity, against a multi-bestselling sf author.

We'll see what happens when Babblers is published, then.

Ghost

Drydic · Post by **Drydic** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:34 pm

Ghost wrote:
zompist wrote:
Ghost wrote:
Mercator wrote:Robert Jordan's Old Tongue is beating Verdurian 1002 to 759!
*gets angry and breaks a few spinal cords*
I'd look at it the other way... Verdurian is doing pretty well for a web-based language with no paid publicity, against a multi-bestselling sf author.
We'll see what happens when Babblers is published, then.

Ghost

When it gets published, I am going to buy 20 copies and distribute them to my family. and then get 10 more to just seal off in a vault.

Of course, this necessitates having money.

Post by **zompist** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:40 am

--Jordan stuff moved to None of the Above--

Soap · Post by **Soap** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:21 pm

zompist wrote:
valinta wrote:Speaking of which, I took a look at lexicon sizes listed at langmaker.com, and the only languages listed as having more words than Verdurian were auxlangs like Esperanto and Lojban. Could this mean Verdurian is the most thoroughly developed fictional conlang out of the 1,000+ catalogued at langmaker.com, or maybe even the world? Even Quenya is only listed as having 1600 words. Truly fascinating.
That'd be cool, but you're missing a few on the site, including our own G?bor S?ndi's Tundrian. Yiklamu claims an astonishing 90,000 words. Talossan has an impressive 30,000.

BTW, I would say Talossan probably wins the prize for the largest "real" vocabulary list. Yiklamu does indeed have 90000 words ... in fact, 90000 word roots ... but the meanings were lifted directly from the WordNet thesaurus and therefore don't really contain any creative work from the author. Anyone with enough time and patience could do the exact same thing (in fact, I was planning on doing it once, but it turned out to be harder than it looked at first).

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:04 am

Oooh... Zomp, when Babblers gets published (note how we're all saying "when"; what faith we have in you!), can the ZBB members get signed copies? Personalised signed copies?

I'd be willing to pay extra for one

Ghost · Post by **Ghost** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:44 am

"To My Loving First Fans"

Ghost

Warmaster · Post by **Warmaster** » Sat Jul 31, 2004 7:07 am

Rory wrote:Oooh... Zomp, when Babblers gets published (note how we're all saying "when"; what faith we have in you!), can the ZBB members get signed copies? Personalised signed copies? I'd be willing to pay extra for one

indeed, definately! i agree with all that! a signed first edition copy!

Drydic · Post by **Drydic** » Mon Aug 02, 2004 3:57 am

:eyes glaze over: