Almean words that look like words in natural languages

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Almean words that look like words in natural languages

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Cadhinor words that look like Finnish words:

("C" = meaning in Cadhinor, "F" = meaning in Finnish)

asia (C: sitting, session, F: thing, matter, issue)
kili (C: mountain (Kaino dialect), F: goatling)
konna (C: money, F: crook, toad)
kudos (C: hole, F: fabric, tissue)
lannos (C: flax, F: fertilizer (?))
leivos (C: wolf, F: pastry)
mehu (C: furrow, F: juice)
murina (C: boat, F: growl, snarl)
nidos (C: nest, F: binding, volume)
pinna (C: fin, F: spoke)
pula (C: ball, F: shortage)

Wede:i/Finnish words:

("W" = meaning in Wede:i, "F" = meaning in Finnish)

jalan (W: wave, F: foot/leg (genitive singular))
kamu (W: guard, F: friend)
ponu (W: jump, F: moonshine)
Puro (W: the Puro river, F (first letter in lower case): stream, brook) (!)
suku (W: stab, pierce, F: family)
suri (W: circle, F: (he/she/it) mourned)
turma (W: branch, F: accident)

(Sorry if there's a thread about this already.)

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I had thought of starting a similar thread. The examples you give are just similarities in orthography, though. I have found quite a few words that are straight out of natural languages:

ac (Cadhinor, Verdurian, Barakhinei (ak). "But". Seen with the same spelling and meaning in Old and Middle English).

ad (Cadhinor, Verdurian, Barakhinei (a). "To". Straight out of Latin.)

adipas (Cadhinor. "Fat". Compare to the English word "adipose", from Latin adeps, "fat".)

azure (Verdurian. "Blue". Compare to the English word "azure").

aecres (Cadhinor. "Sour". Compare Latin "acer (m), acris (f), acre (n)", and the derived English word "acrid")

aestas ("Summer". Identical in Latin and Cadhinor)

akula (Verdurian, "Shark", see Russian "акула")

alte (Verdurian "high", see Latin "altus", English "altitude")

altres/otre (Cadh/Verd "Other", see Latin "alter", Spanish "otro")

an (Cadh/Verd "one". Compare Old English "an")

anel(l)o (Cadh/Verd "ring". Compare Latin/English "an(n)ulus")

ap(p)el(l)u (Cadh/Verd "call", compare to Latin/Italian "appellare", related terms in romance languages and borrowings in English (eg, "appellation"))

aracnis (Cadh "Spider", compare English "arachnid")

arbos (Cadh "tree", compare Latin "arbor")

arcos (Cadh "bow", compare Latin "arcus)

argentos (Cadh "Silver", compare Latin "argentum)

billic (Verd "Cheap". Compare German "billig")

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Post by Mornche Geddick »

Verdurian takes a lot of words from natlangs.For a real challenge why not look for false cognates in Uyse? or Kebreni?

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Mornche Geddick wrote:Verdurian takes a lot of words from natlangs.For a real challenge why not look for false cognates in Uyse? or Kebreni?
Kebreni has a few straight out from Japanese. Even the honorific suffix "me-" could have been Japanese ("mi-"), but I would have doubts about that last one.
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I have noticed that there are many loanwords from natural languages, but I think it is more interesting to find similarities to natural languages that Zompist has not admitted to have used as a source.

Finnish/Uyse? words:

(U = meaning in Uyse?, F = meaning in Finnish)

hinkin (U: consequence, inference, F: jug (genitive singular))
ken (U: along with, and; accompany, F: who)
Pursut (U: a city on the upper Homtso, capital of Krwŋ, F (first letter in lower case): you gush/burst)
sai (U: forest, woods, F: (he/she/it) got/received)
sun (U: fast, quick, F: your)
sut (U: fate, luck, F: you (accusative))
tai (U: land, country, nation, kingdom, F: or)

Edit: Finnish/Kebreni words:

(K = meaning in Kebreni, F = meaning in Finnish)

eri (K: map, F: different)
kas (K: wind, breeze, F: oh!)
kun (K: hawk, falcon, F: when)
kuri (K: that, F: discipline)
linna (K: lord, lady, F: castle)
paru (K: lip, F: bawl, blubber, cry loudly (imperative))
toru (K: take (into one’s possession), acquire, F: scold, rebuke (imperative))
vanu (K: lead, rule, govern, F: cotton wool)
voit (K: blind, F: you can)

Edit 2: Finnish/Old Skourene words:

(O = meaning in Old Skourene, F = meaning in Finnish)

kisan (O: ear, F: competition (genitive singular))
niukka (O: a trick, F: scanty, scarce)
pilas (O: sacrificial firepit, F: (he/she/it) spoiled/ruined)
pellet (O: rain cloud, F: clowns)

Edit 3: Finnish/Flaidish words:

(Fla = meaning in Flaidish, Fin = meaning in Finnish)

koon (Fla: seek, look for, Fin: size (genitive singular))
pauna (Fla: butch lesbian, Fin: pound (unit of mass))
sammet (Fla: seventh, Fin: sturgeon)
suut (Fla: bake, Fin: mouths)
tarmo (Fla: shelf, Fin: energy, vigour)
temmo (Fla: door, port, Fin: pull, tug (imperative))
tuma (Fla: plague, Fin: nucleus (cytology))
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Mornche Geddick wrote:Verdurian takes a lot of words from natlangs.For a real challenge why not look for false cognates in Uyse? or Kebreni?
Or Skourene.

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The only one I know of in Kebreni is neku cat, because I spotted it in the dead-tree LCK.

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Xurnese/English, using approximately the same amount of phonetic/semantic drift as in Zompist's "Deriving Proto-World with tools you probably have at home":

aujudo 'hearing, listening'; audio
beyk 'support, sustain, feed'; bake
bez 'low, humble'; base
bip 'short, small, few'; blip (on the radar)
buma 'two'; bina(ry)
ceš 'this one'; this
ciluk 'because'; see, look (as in, "See, look, this is why...")
civliy 'knight' etc.; chivalry
cu 'dew'; dew
čiyče 'prosper, thrive, get rich'; cha-ching
der 'door'; door
deym 'time'; time
deysu 'tenfold'; deci-
dumu 'homely, rickety, weak'; dumb
empojač 'forbid, ban'; impose, impost
ges 'goose'; goose
ges 'imagine'; guess
ize 'be'; is
jausirc 'tyrant, bully'; jouster
jeris 'be rowdy'; cheer
kapi 'worship'; capi(tulate)
kešaup 'split off, divided, apart, hermit'; cast out

... and so on.

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As for Cadhinor, in Greek PONOS means "pain" and PEOS means "penis" :)

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Well, what I can spot in the Kebrini Lexicon, including the Metayun roots it gives next to the Kebrini words:

ahnu "donkey", from Metayun asnu, compare to Latin "asinus"
anah "duck", from M. anas, identical to the Latin "anas"
nabira "ship", apparently related to nabra "sail", from M. navra, compare Latin navis and French navire
śiru "white", from M. čiro, compare Japanese "shiroi"


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Xurnese, being a descendent of Proto-Eastern, has a fair number of words derived from PE roots that Zompist yanked from PIE or Indo European langs, for example "auris" (bear) derives from PE "ures", which is predecessor to Cadh "ursos", which corresponds to Latin "ursus".

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Also "neko" for "cat".
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Exez wrote:As for Cadhinor, in Greek PONOS means "pain" and PEOS means "penis" :)
Cadhinor and Greek? You can't be serious. LOGOS.
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