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 Post subject: Incatena
PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:59 am 
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This is awesome! Will there be more details posted, if possible? About the... languages perhaps? =) or more about the societies and tech involved?

Two minor points:
* I feel that there might be too little development for a span of 3,000 years, and in particular the timeline seems to slow down (the last "era" lasts more than 1,000 years!) but I suppose that's a result of long lifespans. But even then, with a dozen careers per human lifetime, with more wisdom and long-term thinking, perhaps things wouldn't slow down this much?
* Also... I was wondering why the superhuman AI don't take a more active role. Why haven't they completely pre-empted human control of human civilization?

Also... what's the etymology of "Sihor"?

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 Post subject: Re: Incatena
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I have difficulties with the idea of neuroimplants. There seem to be two reasons Zomp wants them in Incatena: sensory bypass (data input) for the Vee and brain enhancers, i.e. to help you learn languages. The first problem with both, is that even if it is done by nanobots, it still involves brain surgery. That will either mean breaching the skull or being injected into an artery (Fantastic Voyage) and piercing the blood vessel wall. Then, directing the nanobots to the right target (among all the millions of astrocytes, neurons, axons, synapses etc, which all look alike on the nanobot scale) must be a logistical nightmare. The risks (of haemorrhage, infection, brain damage due to an implant in the wrong place, or simple failure) seem to me unnacceptably large.

And then, why should you need a sensory bypass to enter the Vee at all? A well designed virtual reality suit, which takes advantage of the five input neuroimplants you already have, and a safe place to wear it seem quite enough to me?

The brain enhancers would have all the problems I listed above and then one more. Suppose you had an implant with the Okurinese grammar and vocabulary. If it suddenly failed (devices do!) and you were on Okura you would find yourself suddenly unable to speak the language! Of course this might be a good plot device.


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I'm intrigued by the talk of gravity-manipulation. What kind of new things did humanity have to discover about physics to have that sort of technology, I wonder.

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The idea that in 4000 years humanity won't be able to communicate at faster-than-light speeds seems not ambitious enough; I think by that time we'll probably have quantum stuff worked out well enough to do it.


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 Post subject: Re: Incatena
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<can-of-worms>A better question would be "how often does your Apple computer need a reboot?" and I would answer "Every two to three months" when I get an OS update. Those are the only times my MacBook goes off. Oh, and when I go through airport security which is four times a year.</can-of-worms>
<less-dangerous>An even better question is "how often are bank mainframe computers rebooted?" and your answer is "never".</less-dangerous>.

*Ducks.*

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Enjoyable to read.

Where are all the AD 4901 zombies, by the way? I once suggested that it's possible economic growth could reach or approach a plateau if population ever stabilized, to which you argued that that was a zombie apocalypse scenario so I was being ridiculous. But here you've gone and used that same scenario! Most interesting. :)


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Is this going to delay Dhekhnami? *innocent angel face*

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