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Mark, on the Elkar?l language page, wrote:E.g., u is the same as the Russian bI or Japanese u, IPA y.

I just wanted to point out, IPA y is not an unrounded u. [uu] (kind of) is.

I was also wondering, how is the Kebreni eng featured in the Verdurian alphabeth. There isn't any mentioning of it there.

The first one is probably a bug in my Word-to-html transcription software.

I'll look at the Kebreni eng and see what's going on with it.

vegfarandi wrote:

Mark, on the Elkar?l language page, wrote:E.g., u is the same as the Russian bI or Japanese u, IPA y.

I just wanted to point out, IPA y is not an unrounded u. [uu] (kind of) is.

I thought it was [M]...

Yeah, in X-SAMPA.

vegfarandi wrote:

Mark, on the Elkar?l language page, wrote:E.g., u is the same as the Russian bI or Japanese u, IPA y.

I just wanted to point out, IPA y is not an unrounded u. [uu] (kind of) is.

And isn't the Russian <bI> /1/, not /M/?

I have seen claims for the Russian bI to be anything from /1/ to /M/, but according to the most thorough phonology for Russian I've ever seen, it does have a considerable number of allophones that glide so we have /M+_1+/ and similar stuff (especially with labials these are usual iirc).