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 Post subject: Kebreni grammar page
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:25 am 
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There seems to be an issue – the lexicon has been moved up into the middle of the page...

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 Post subject: Re: Kebreni grammar page
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:05 am 
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Also, shouldn't the example "gem śaida hazigai nyne – that beautiful and proud maiden" say gente instead of gem?

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 Post subject: Re: Kebreni grammar page
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:31 am 
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The sound changes have also been displaced it seems, though not their heading.

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 Post subject: Re: Kebreni grammar page
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:05 pm 
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Huh? I'm not seeing anything weird or new, either with Mac Firefox or PC IE.


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 Post subject: Re: Kebreni grammar page
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:40 pm 
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It works in linux Firefox, fails in linux Chromium, works in linux Opera 12.16 (the newest version of Opera is based off Chrome, so prolly not worth checking), placement works in Konqueror (the only other browser I have installed) but everything from Curiously, the voicing of medial consonants (e.g. demettan → demedu) seems to be an areal feature, shared with Ismaîn and the Avélan dialect of Verdurian just above the Lexicon intro paragraph to For borrowings into Ismaîn see the Ismaîn lexicon is bolded.

So basically something somewhere bugged in Chrome. Idk what to say about the bolding thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Kebreni grammar page
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:02 pm 
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Nessari wrote:
It works in linux Firefox, fails in linux Chromium, works in linux Opera 12.16 (the newest version of Opera is based off Chrome, so prolly not worth checking), placement works in Konqueror (the only other browser I have installed) but everything from Curiously, the voicing of medial consonants (e.g. demettan → demedu) seems to be an areal feature, shared with Ismaîn and the Avélan dialect of Verdurian just above the Lexicon intro paragraph to For borrowings into Ismaîn see the Ismaîn lexicon is bolded.

So basically something somewhere bugged in Chrome. Idk what to say about the bolding thing.

It seems that the problem is due to missing </p> tags. Many (all?) paragraphs on the page only have an opening <p> tag, but no closing one. Firefox seems to be able to handle this, but Chrome mixes up the order of elements completely.

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 Post subject: Re: Kebreni grammar page
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:04 pm 
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Cedh wrote:
It seems that the problem is due to missing </p> tags. Many (all?) paragraphs on the page only have an opening <p> tag, but no closing one. Firefox seems to be able to handle this, but Chrome mixes up the order of elements completely.
<p> without </p> is valid and common HTML, <p> is one of the elements whose closing tag is optional. Chrome handles it fine, it's highly unlikely to be the culprit.


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 Post subject: Re: Kebreni grammar page
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:31 pm 
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Cedh wrote:
Nessari wrote:
It works in linux Firefox, fails in linux Chromium, works in linux Opera 12.16 (the newest version of Opera is based off Chrome, so prolly not worth checking), placement works in Konqueror (the only other browser I have installed) but everything from Curiously, the voicing of medial consonants (e.g. demettan → demedu) seems to be an areal feature, shared with Ismaîn and the Avélan dialect of Verdurian just above the Lexicon intro paragraph to For borrowings into Ismaîn see the Ismaîn lexicon is bolded.

So basically something somewhere bugged in Chrome. Idk what to say about the bolding thing.

It seems that the problem is due to missing </p> tags. Many (all?) paragraphs on the page only have an opening <p> tag, but no closing one. Firefox seems to be able to handle this, but Chrome mixes up the order of elements completely.

I recall this being brought up in the past (though I can't recall about what); Mark said his HTML is written in an earlier style, before closing <p> tags became the rage. And, as Aino says, it's still valid HTML.

Apologies if I'm mangling what your response actually was, Zomp. And I'm not intending to say you're a stick-in-the-mud xD

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 Post subject: Re: Kebreni grammar page
PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:28 am 
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It's working fine now.

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 Post subject: Re: Kebreni grammar page
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:57 pm 
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Some more questions about Kebreni grammar:

Under the section on the -te relativizer, it mentions that falaute gem means "one of you". But isn't an alternative possible translation "your one?" How is this ambiguity resolved?

The sentence: Ḣem ḣouźi kriida immi konarei mengu is translated "because I lost the mortgage document, the bank is whining" but strictly speaking shouldn't it be "the document", since gemeśa is "mortgage?"

Just above that the text says "To second clause can however be fronted," which I think should read "The second clause".

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 Post subject: Re: Kebreni grammar page
PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:19 pm 
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So Haleza Grise wrote:
Under the section on the -te relativizer, it mentions that falaute gem means "one of you". But isn't an alternative possible translation "your one?" How is this ambiguity resolved?


I don't think it's ambiguous in Kebreni-- it's "one (relating to you)".

But then I'm having trouble coming up with a context for "your one". If you're (say) pointing to someone's written numeral 1 and say "I like your one", then "falaute gem" would be correct, but also clear in context. If you're trying to use "one" as a generic pronoun (as in "the same one"), then the usual translation would be just "falaute".

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The sentence: Ḣem ḣouźi kriida immi konarei mengu is translated "because I lost the mortgage document, the bank is whining" but strictly speaking shouldn't it be "the document", since gemeśa is "mortgage?"


Yes, it's really a typo (corrected in the newest LCK but not in the online grammar): gemeśate should be inserted before kriida, as it is in the next example.

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Just above that the text says "To second clause can however be fronted," which I think should read "The second clause".


Too true!


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 Post subject: Re: Kebreni grammar page
PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:51 am 
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