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 Post subject: On Krwŋese
PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:15 pm 
Lebom
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It's an odd thing, I realize, but I was looking over the Krwŋese cognates in the Uyseʔ lexicon, and I thought I'd make a list of all the cognate sounds in the set. For example:
Fwnoy/Funuy/"sacrifice to ancestors"
Understandable enough; so /u/ in Uyseʔ is /w/ in Krwŋese after a consonant, or /o/ before a /j/. Next:
Krwŋ/Krun/?
Okay, so /u/ is /w/ here, but where did the /ŋ/ come from? Was it there all along, and altered by position in fwnoy, so "sacrifice" would actually be **fwŋ? And then:
Nyekyɔu/Nyekyau/"(son) of-shrine"
Actually, to be fair, Zompist did comment on the vowel shift in the Historical Atlas. I think I'd better look back and see if there are any more words...
What I'm getting at here is: was there ever a Proto-Uyseʔ set up? Or are the sound changes just likely cognates from relatives in the area? I'm curious in part because I've been doing some (probably illegal) work on Siadese, and even there one finds some irregularities (unless they're just more complex changes that I've missed; equally possible).


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 Post subject: Re: On Krwŋese
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:18 pm 
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Any thoughts?


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 Post subject: Re: On Krwŋese
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:39 pm 
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Don't bump threads here. If you look at my blog you will see that I am preoccupied right now.


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 Post subject: Re: On Krwŋese
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:19 pm 
Lebom
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My sincerest apologies, and condolences. I didn't realize. I'll cease in future.


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 Post subject: Re: On Krwŋese
PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:44 pm 
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Had some time to check notes. Two more to add to your list:

Photwor / Photwr (a city)
Solsrin / Susirn (an emperor)

Uyseʔ is a sister language of Krwŋese, so the reason for alternations like Krun/Krwŋ undoubtedly lie in the proto-language.

I didn't work out an actual proto-Uyseʔ. However, I do have a small set of sound changes for deriving Siadese words.


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 Post subject: Re: On Krwŋese
PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:33 pm 
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Right! That makes a lot more sense.


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